Does anyone feel working in the US isn't worth it anymore?

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goodboi

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goodboimore
May 23, 2018 89 Comments

I just feel that the only reason people come here is because of the hog paying jobs. But everything else is ridiculous. I'm not comfortable of the thought of sending my future kids to school here. School shootings aren't a shocker anymore, gun violence in general is ridiculous here. Healthcare is a joke. Can't even say politically we're safe because our ridiculous politicians are making us both a target and a laughing stock. I grew up here, I'm a citizen, I used to love this country, but living 10 years abroad and viewing it from the outside, and then coming back and viewing everything from the inside, I can't help but ask what the fuck went wrong here. The bigger question I ask myself, do I want to bring my fiance here, raise my future kids here, when I feel threatened more than I feel safe. Is it worth it? Are these high paying salaries worth it? I dont know anymore. I don't know if other feel the same way, but I'm sick and tired of this country.

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  • Microsoft Chris i
    Are you fucking kidding me?

    1. School shootings? So do you prefer a 0.00001% probability of a school shooting or

    If you’re in France/Spain/Italy - a 20% chance of being pick pocketed

    China / India - 100% chance to have symptoms due to air polllutiln.

    Scandinavia - 100% chance of 50% or greater taxation

    Singapore / HK - 100% chance you’ll never be able to afford to buy a decent house

    Look, I’ve lived in 4 continents. I know what’s out there.

    Europe - shitty economy. Terrible taxes. Healthcare takes forever.
    Asia - developing, a lot of opportunity but outside of Sg and hk, don’t really need White ppl anymore as much and you’ll never be doing core strategic work unless you join a local company and then it’s shitty culture. China India really bad air.

    Africa - not a great place to live and work. The nice places because there are so few are ridiculously expensive

    Australia - high expense for what you pay for and high tax. Few high paying jobs. Pretty good lifestyle. Probably the best alternative to the us.

    South America - still developing. Way more dangerous than the us.

    The us is really the best place in the world to live if what you want is:

    1. High paying job
    2. Comfortable and big home
    3. Convenient amenities
    4. World class schools both public and private.

    When i say public schools - i don’t mean average. I mean our top public schools are the best in the world. In the Bay Area - lynbrook, monta vista, mission San Jose.

    In Bellevue - Newport high.

    Universities are the best in the world. Public universities are affordable and the best in the world.

    We have all sorts of food that you want.

    Relatively low tax compared to other developed countries.

    Tell me specifically which country you think is better to live in than the us? And let’s be specific about the us? Silicon Valley? LA? Seattle?

    I’ve been wherever you’ve talked about. I know. Us is the best in the world as a whole.

    If you have specific circumstances - then things can be different. Eg. You’re young and Asian

    Maybe you go to Asia for that

    Maybe you like really convenient and cheap travel - maybe uoj go to Asia or Europe

    Those are niches. If we’re speaking in generalities then us is the best.
    May 23, 2018 38
    • Capital One Drake
      Wow how does it feel like acting 12 when you're a grown man 💪🏻flex your keyboard fingers, warrior.
      May 24, 2018
    • CareerBuilder JonDoe1
      You mean grown woman? Feels amazing.
      May 24, 2018
    • Cisco Cnmsike
      STFU Chris u don’t know shit
      Jun 11, 2018
    • Microsoft Qpoxiebb
      Well why not say why instead of just saying, “you don’t know shit”. Without analysis it’s like me saying you have a micro penis. Full stop. Doesn’t mean anything.
      Jun 11, 2018
    • Cisco Cnmsike
      Qpoxiebb say whatever ya like dipshit still got ur mama pregnant
      Jul 17, 2018
  • Microsoft Lotl
    Be the change you want to see, or
    leave. It’s simple really.
    May 23, 2018 11
    • Glooko / Other
      localgrown

      Glooko Other

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      localgrownmore
      Lotl's comment wasn't a troll response. No need to be so dense and sensitive.
      May 23, 2018
    • CareerBuilder JonDoe1
      It may not have been a troll response, but it was a stupid response
      May 23, 2018
    • Microsoft Lotl
      Advocacy and complaining are not the same. Complaining is fraught with laziness / expecting others to solve the problem. Advocacy is putting skin in the game.

      Calling ideas we don’t understand “stupid” is complaining.
      May 23, 2018
    • CareerBuilder JonDoe1
      I understand your idea perfectly, at least as well as you do. I am saying the idea is stupid. Not out of ignorance, but out of understanding. Get it now?
      May 23, 2018
    • Oracle Linked In
      Lotl, stupid response.
      May 23, 2018
  • Oscar / Eng
    dumb|dumb

    Oscar Eng

    BIO
    Fuck you, but wats up bro.
    dumb|dumbmore
    Soon you will discover the rest of the world is just in the same diship condition, no less. If you think EU countries are great, go ahead :) having known a few Europeans (a Germany, an Irish, and a Swiss), they left for economic reason (of course). But they were much happier here than back home because of the ideal politics there. Nothing gets done well, and even the “liberal” legislations are jokes to them.

    I also grew up in the States as an immigrant. The best part of American is the spirit of taking vacation. There is a mutual respect among employers that employees deserve vacation, other than legally employers must provide vacation. Going abroad, esp in Asia, work hours are terrible and foreigners are treated like museum displays, some curious creatures, which can be very uncomfortable.
    May 23, 2018 7
    • Amazon Flows
      Dumb|dumb doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Or he’s a troll. Hard to tell.
      I’ve lived all around the world. People take less vacation here than every country in Europe.
      I’ve known quite a few Europeans who abandoned the US to do back to Europe because of the lack of safety net here and ridiculously expensive higher education. A Swede I know told me that their daycare is $800 per YEAR because the country values having children and making it possible for parents to work.
      May 23, 2018
    • Oscar / Eng
      dumb|dumb

      Oscar Eng

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      Fuck you, but wats up bro.
      dumb|dumbmore
      Lol at his ^
      May 23, 2018
    • Amazon shammer
      Dumb|dumb: where did you live except US?
      May 23, 2018
    • Oscar / Eng
      dumb|dumb

      Oscar Eng

      BIO
      Fuck you, but wats up bro.
      dumb|dumbmore
      Asia? Not india though.
      May 23, 2018
    • Amazon shammer
      Then you don't really have a world perspective on quality of life, since you never lived in Europe: 7 out of top 10 countries for quality of life are in Europe, none are in Asia (the other 3 are Australia, New Zeland and Canada).
      May 23, 2018
  • eBay sudo
    Unfortunately, US is one of the easiest countries to immigrate to improve your life among 1st world countries. Try to go to European countries, definitely harder to come and become permanent resident
    May 23, 2018 4
    • Microsoft naaam
      Not for Indians.
      May 23, 2018
    • eBay sudo
      If it is easy for Indians then ALL of Indians will come to US ;)
      May 23, 2018
    • Yahoo / Eng DhobiKaDog
      US is the hardest county to immigrate to (at least for indians)
      I like Germany better
      May 23, 2018
    • LinkedIn BlahAndBla
      US is the best country to immigrate illegally. We need the WALL.. #MAGA
      May 23, 2018
  • Amazon / Mgmt masterkane
    Every country has its pros and cons. If you earn well, the US has some of the best schools and universities in the world to get your kids educated at. Europe has a more balanced way of life but more economic problems and less opportunity for youth. Its not black or white. Also, depends where in the country, what state, which neighborhood, which school etc.
    May 23, 2018 2
    • Intel / Other
      goldieLock

      Intel Other

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      goldieLockmore
      lol at "the best schools and universities". The US has 5 good schools at most.
      May 23, 2018
    • Barracuda / Sales
      YourMama

      Barracuda Sales

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      YourMamamore
      The US has more top 25 universities than every other country combined but good try goldieLock. As ranked by a UK magazine, btw.
      May 23, 2018
  • Oracle orc
    I have contemplated that and decided for now those salaries are worth the risk, then when it is school time find an alternative. It is not the obsession with Guns that worries me, it is the lack of collective social responsibility (to not sell to people with mental illness, not locking it up safely, etc.) that baffles me! If people want to use the guns then need to be collectively responsible for safety of others... but I digress.
    May 23, 2018 0
  • Cisco / Eng zGcY85
    Retire in Europe? Have you even explored half the states in the US? We’re literally damn near the size of the entire EU. Missoula, Montana is drastically different from San Francisco. Boise, Des Moines, Dallas, New Orleans, are all drastically different from each other. Let alone smaller cities and towns all over everywhere else. OP sounds like a typical liberal democrat from San Francisco who’s stuck in an echo chamber of “rah rah Europe, the United States sucks!” Get out and explore the rest of the country.

    Oh, and my family are all immigrants too I’m the first generation born here in the US. I’ve visited and lived in a variety of other countries and several other states. California has an extremely biased, skewed, and somewhat inaccurate perception of the US. Same with NYC and other Democrat strongholds. And don’t take this as me bashing on the Left - I was a registered Dem my whole life up until the last couple years. They’ve gone off the rails just as much as the Right but without realizing it.

    The Left’s perception of how much danger we’re in from guns is just as ridiculous as the Right’s perception of how much danger we’re in from illegal immigrants.
    May 23, 2018 2
    • Cisco / Eng zGcY85
      So who said you have to stay in tech? And even if you do there are still options you just have to be a bit more creative. Think about it like this - you can be a little fish in a big pond by sticking to the big city tech hubs, or you can be a big fish in a small pond going outside those areas to explore opportunities where a small business is desperate for an engineer but everyone is too haughty and caught up with FAANG allure to both looking up the business’s city on a map.

      Hell, go start your own company and train people to code. Or try a different career - tons of people retire and switch to something completely different from whatever they did professionally and find a lot of joy and satisfaction in the switch.

      As for healthcare, yeah we’ve got a lot of issues, but again, so do plenty of other places. The immediate felt cost for care may seem cheaper until you consider your taxes going into it. Or the immediate cost is cheaper, but the wait times are drastically longer and the quality of care sometimes less. It varies by location just like it does here.

      Think about this : people like OP love to simultaneously bash the US for having problems, and then tout how wonderful it is for immigrants to come here and whatnot. They never question why so many people want to come here from other countries. There’s a reason people flock to the US and not other places - the positives outweigh the negatives. But by all means, nobody’s forcing anyone to stay. We’d just appreciate it if you STFU on the way out.
      May 23, 2018
    • Apple tuolumne
      Doesn’t matter where you live in the US. Healthcare costs in retirement will take all of your money unless you have brilliant accountants and attorney to hide your money so you can latch onto Medicaid. It’s a simple mathematical certainty of people living longer lives and healthcare costs being astronomical in the states.
      May 23, 2018
  • Sapient Razorfish
    A554NG3

    Sapient Razorfish

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    A554NG3more
    - Government spending is out of control.
    - Wasteful spending of tax dollars.
    - Too many special interest programs making politicians rich
    - People are getting hired/promoted based on superficial attributes
    - Horrible retirement
    - Vitriolic biased growing on right and left
    May 23, 2018 2
    • New baQn60
      How is this different in other countries? Fact of life...
      May 23, 2018
    • Sapient Razorfish
      A554NG3

      Sapient Razorfish

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      TensorFlow. Deepmind. DARPA
      A554NG3more
      You’re right. We’re witnessing the fall of an empire.
      May 23, 2018
  • AT&T / Eng
    DDM2K

    AT&T Eng

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    Optum, Windstream, AT&T, Verizon
    DDM2Kmore
    Familiarity with your home country contributes to your feeling safer there, I’m sure.
    May 23, 2018 2
  • New baQn60
    I don’t want to be paid in hog
    May 23, 2018 0
  • Zendesk / Eng greatfella
    Totally agree. Most of Europeans I met here (including myself) plan to move back to Europe after a few years. Some already have.
    May 23, 2018 2
    • Amazon undertaker
      Yeah . I have not even moved to usa but planning to come back from there
      May 23, 2018
    • Amazon shammer
      Same here. Save for early retirement then GTFO.
      May 23, 2018
  • Intuit druutbv
    taxes are too high, gun control too restrictive, social services too expansive, illegal immigration too easy. time to find a new USA.
    May 23, 2018 1
    • New baQn60
      Hi mr trump
      May 23, 2018
  • Apple tuolumne
    You’re not alone here. It seems to be a common thread with US expats. The only reason to be here is for the money. As soon as you’re done earning your money or hit you’re number, it’s time to leave. Many US expats I know miss working abroad and want to go back.

    Germany is probably the most modern country in the world that puts everyone to shame infrastructure wise. Plenty of countries have affordable healthcare and low cost education, and excellent benefits overall. Most of the expats from Europe I know intend to retire back in their home country after earning their money here.

    The US is probably the worst country to retire in. If you’re wealthy, healthcare will take most , if not all, of your money. If you’re poor you’ll probably never retire since SS often isn’t enough.

    Apart from the top 10% in society you’ll have a better quality of life outside of the US in some other civilized society.

    It’s more than just your salary - taxes. You need to look at what get and what you pay for in terms of sick/vacation leave, healthcare, college tuition, preschool/daycare costs, maternity/paternity leave, retirement homes home for your aging parents, etc... These are all expenses your pay which might as well be counted on as taxes. If you account for all of these costs, you’ll find that in 90% of the cases you’re better off living in Western Europe than in the States. The exception being the top 10% income earners like STEM workers.
    May 23, 2018 2
    • Microsoft Chris i
      Germany has very high taxes and euro isn’t doing well so you’re not gonna make tech packages there. Food choice is quite limited outside of Berlin and Munich.

      Germany is the exception to the rule.

      Your argument here is selection bias.

      The people on blind are the top 20% earners.

      Yes, the average American probably can live a little better if they went to Europe.

      We’re not average. We went to good schools. We work hard and we want things that aren’t average.

      Top 20% in us live better than the top 20% of Europe.
      May 23, 2018
    • Apple tuolumne
      Agreed. If you read my full post, I make this exact point.
      May 23, 2018
  • Dev9 p64350p2
    No escape and no heaven on this planet. Stay put.
    May 23, 2018 0

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