Don't want to step down

Microsoft / Eng CrashOverr
Mar 14, 2018 20 Comments

I'm looking to move away from Microsoft, but it is difficult to figure out what is seen as better.
I don't think highly of msft, but there doesn't seem to be much out there that everyone agrees is better.

I'm looking for stuff in Seattle.

Aside from the obvious Google, Facebook, Amazon.
Then probably we all agree on Lyft, Uber, Airbnb.
I don't think we have linkedin, spotify, apple, Netflix in Seattle.

And then, it gets complicated as you dive into Salesforce, Snapchat, Oracle, Dropbox, Ebay, Twitter, Tableau, Zillow, Redfin. Would those get seen as a step down?

Any other companies I should consider?

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  • Square / Eng SQ
    Lol what the fuck? You guys are so caught up on titles and perception. People apply from no name companies all the time and get into "step up" companies. What is this thing about now wanting to "step down"? It's not like Microsoft is very high on that list anyways.

    Just how conceited are you?
    Mar 14, 2018 2
    • Microsoft / Eng CrashOverr
      OP
      Don't get me wrong I think it is completely stupid. Some people say "oh microsoft" and I can't believe the shit they do here, I would say a lot of startups are way better and I would hire from there instead of msft.
      But sadly I don't think that's how hiring is done in most companies
      Mar 14, 2018
    • Square / Eng SQ
      It's really not. I've interviewed candidates from Zoosk, Walmart labs, nameless startups that failed. If what you said was true then literally no one could be in Big N straight out of school. No one that wanted to try their own company is employable after. No one that went to a startup is employable after.
      Mar 14, 2018
  • Amazon / Mgmt DayWon
    Isn’t anything a “step up” from Microsoft? Doesn’t have a great reputation as I understand it. Very political - people don’t want to do a lot of work. The “country club” we say.
    Mar 15, 2018 2
    • Salesforce ioioioi
      True. Microsoft used to a be good brand 10-15 years back. After a bad phase, it’s getting better but Industry doesn’t think very highly of Microsoft. I have never heard anyone say: I want to work @ Microsoft.
      People usually want to go to unicorn startups or FANG
      Mar 15, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng
      AmlEval

      Microsoft Eng

      BIO
      Sinful birth under the cross
      AmlEvalmore
      *20 years back.

      I joined in 2004, and it was already dead then.

      St. Paul Graham wrote an epistle about this in 2007 that is always good to reread to get some perspective.

      http://www.paulgraham.com/microsoft.html
      Mar 15, 2018
  • Uber / Eng
    sight

    Uber Eng

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    Facebook, Cisco
    sightmore
    No place is a step down if your responsibility and potential impact increases. I wouldn’t focus too much on company brand, but more on future value.
    Mar 15, 2018 0
  • Microsoft Fme
    It’s only a step down if you make less. Msft pay is not good compared to a lot of those companies you listed. You can even get a title bump and increase in pay from those lower companies.
    Mar 15, 2018 0
  • Microsoft g0g0
    Maft might not have a good reputation in the valley but most teams have solid engineers, and then the other half of the team that is always sick or just chilling
    Mar 14, 2018 0
  • Netflix fs92
    Just to confirm this for you, Netflix does not have an engineering office in Seattle
    Mar 14, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Eng tubbyz
    "step down" should only be measured by total comp, not title.
    Mar 15, 2018 0
  • Yelp / Eng bbbbbbbbb’
    I don’t see Dropbox is a step down.
    Mar 14, 2018 0
  • Gusto / Eng
    xAJR02

    Gusto Eng

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    Microsoft
    xAJR02more
    Since all of the interviews rely on Leetcode questions anyway, the companies you have on your resume won’t matter that much. What matters more are the skills you’re acquiring and how you can frame them in terms of business impact.

    In your current role, what impact do you have on your product’s success? Can you measure it in dollars of revenue or hours of other people’s productivity? Personally, I found moving to a startup helped me learn the language of business, which allowed me to better articulate my value in the interview loops after that.
    Mar 15, 2018 0
  • Expedia Wingman!
    Expedia, MSFT’s children company
    Mar 14, 2018 3
    • Microsoft / Eng CwCJ71
      How is Expedia Microsoft’s children company?
      Mar 15, 2018
    • Apple / Eng NBD1234
      Expedia was spun out from Microsoft years ago. They still even follow the same org structure MSFT has (dev/test/PM triad). When I was there all the interns had a t- and vendors an a- or v-.
      Mar 15, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng CwCJ71
      I didn’t know! I remember seeing older software programs Microsoft released named “Expedia”. Thanks for clarifying!
      Mar 15, 2018
  • Zillow Group greenlake
    Name brand is important. Microsoft is a household brand. I didn't hear good things from people working at Microsoft. I didn't even interview.

    If you feel happier working at FANG or unicorns, go work there. Otherwise, it really depends on the team and TC.

    Also, Zillow is a great company.
    Jul 31, 2018 0
  • Salesforce ioioioi
    Salesforce is not a step down.
    P.s I don’t work @salesforce anymore
    Mar 14, 2018 0
  • Coursera / Eng StarEcho
    Join Coursera
    Mar 15, 2018 0