I have two offers considering right now.
Please leave your honest comment for which I should take
DropBox: good culture, better comp, maybe more scope, ownerships, responsibilities, but not really feel safe about future business.
Google Cloud: Big name, good culture ( at least for swe), heard of slower moving and slower promotions, might work on smaller scope of work due to level I am offered? Job and stock safety guarantee when recession comes?
Both: Good tech, a plus on resume, definitely a lot can be learned at both places?
Dropbox TC 260K IC2
Google Cloud TC 200K L3
Speaking of refresher, which might be stronger (average percentage)
Thanks for sharing your thoughts
I have two offers considering right now.
- JOANY / Mgmt e^(iπ)+1=0+1 for Google as long as they do at least $250 -- which I would be REALLY surprised if they didn't.
Where are your 2.5 yoe?
Is this in the Bay Area? I thought $200k was almost as low as Google went for SWE in the Bay. I just really can't imagine they wouldn't go to $250.
Push very hard. It's literally $50k a year you're talking about!
- @JOANY you are slightly wrong. Google loves to low-ball and down-level if one doesn’t have anything competing on the table. $200k is median high L3 offer. $250k is median high L4 offer, even people who joined as new grad and became L4 in 2-3 years earn less than $250k most of the times. With competing offer Google does match though or at least come really close unless they are not very interested in the candidate.
- Google chenkuEven if Google matches I feel career progression at Google is slow. I haven't been promoted even once in 3 months.
- Microsoft / Eng AmYe88If they match upto 230k go there.. You will have better learning as you at start of your career
- I didn’t even bring up bing vs google. He/ she got it where I was going. Agree on the slower user growth but as an engineer, there should be enough challenges. They may not grow users but content and files should grow over the period of time.
As a Dropbox user, one of the 500million plus, I can say that they have the best file sharing/ sync experience.
FB 2023 - read last 1 years news and you will realize who is delusional. Storing user passwords in plain text and asking users to reset their password via a blog post sounds like a good, grounded idea.Mar 24 10
- Google ySie87Ex-DB here.
On offer and benefit packages:
Google will likely match or beat, just make sure you’re clear about what you want and let them know of the offer. Google equity vests as soon as you start and easily liquid (we get stock accrued every month). Also, Dropbox stock isn’t so great and still trying to stabilize.
You have quantifiable paid vacation, sick, and paternity/maternity days from Google vs. Dropbox unlimited (which means if you leave you can get that money back). With Google you actually can travel around the world if you want. The healthcare offerings from Google have been really impressive. I barely ever pay for prescription drugs (most was $5). Google actually funds an HSA AND A limited health care fund. Peer bonuses also are great. Dropbox food is good, but you have multiple restaurants and offerings at every Google office. Generally the quality of basic things is much higher at Google, especially team events. Promo is pretty straight forward at Google, but a little more conservative to make sure people are ready for the level. Basically try your hand at the higher level work and then the promo will come whereas dropbox leveling has the issue where you’ll level up quickly but will likely get hard downleveled when you leave elsewhere.
On career outlook:
I think it depends on a lot of context. Dropbox doesn’t have a lot of diverse product areas and problems to attack. You can work on anything at Google and transfer teams anytime. You have about 3 options Given the size of the teams and company, you’ll find that problems are overstated, overengineered, and treated too conservatively. Google however has been more experimental and quicker at tackling problems that take Dropbox years to do. With the cloud space, it’s better to work at Google because you’ll have a sense of what success looks like in the space. I’ve seen cloud launch services with a hit success very quickly. However, I think everyone should work for an underdog at some point. You learn so much from those experiences as a product person. Imagine building something that exists to compete, really learning from that, and seeing it fail (getting killed or DB acquiring some startup that does what you just made). You’ll also find more seasoned product people at Google across the board.
- Microsoft cUwPkFI’ll try to get Google to match and then accept Google.
I would want a brand name early on in my career. It will open doors.
- Sorry, I disagree here. If that 60k per year follows you around for even 10 years, that's 600k difference over 10 years. I cannot tell you what to do, but I would go for Dropbox and try it out for 2 years. If you want to change at that time, you will be going out at that level and pay. If you don't like Google in two years, you will be going out at a lower level and pay.
- Dropbox will be irrelevant in 10 years. Google will continue its dominance.
- I disagree. That 60k he just left on the table will compound to hundreds of thousands of dollars in a a few years of invested. Don’t ever leave money on the table like that. Negotiate like crazy and get google to match or beat Dropbox’s offer.
- To factor this, I would consider the current scenario. A pretty simplistic view
The stock is falling due to revenue or growth not meeting up to the valuation.
The only long term way around this is to 1) identify and capture gaps in the markets for existing product space 2) long term plans to grow revenue.
From the earnings call u can figure out the two points. If there are.some promising things other than cost saving scenarios, there might be hope.
- Get google to match and then get dropbox to increase their offer. Also DB is in SF and google in MV. I’d lean towards dropbox if I were you
- Google / Data blindgooglmoreDefinitely Google. Don’t be short-sighted. After you spend 2-3 years on Google, you will realize how much more opportunities you have in the industry and how easier to get a good offer from companies like DB. Most importantly, you have no regrets if want to try small startups to take risks for big gains. End of the day, what you can learn is more important.
- Microsoft liveordieBoth are excellent options. I think you will want to job hop a few times anyway to get pay bumps, so no need to fret too much over which offer to get right now. I would think that Google is a safe bet just to put in your resume.
I think Google will not match the dropbox comp, period. Google is known for underleveling and underpaying all new hires.
- People you have to work with every day are much more important than the name of a company, promotions or TC. Go with the team you feel more comfortable with.