Early Career - Google or Uber

Aug 29, 2018 65 Comments

With 1 YoE, which company would be better for my career?

Uber team is a lot more fun, but its also a high impact team (a lot of teams depending on the team's products -> might be bad WLB or a full 40/45 hr week).

Google team seems much more relaxed, the product is a bit boring compared to Uber.

I just want a place to grow for the next 2-4 years while also having a good WLB to focus on stuff that I'd like to do.

I also want to focus on distributed systems either by joining the Uber team or by doing a team transfer at Google after I hit L4.

On the other hand, I am very interested in joining Google to learn best practices and use the internal resources to develop myself. Also the I think the googler brand would be very strong compared to uber's after I stay in one those companies for 2-4 years and try to join another pre-ipo unicorn.

Having a hard time deciding, I'd appreciate some wisdom as someone who is early in his career, especially people who've been at both companies or similar companies.

Got L3 offers for both Uber 165k TC, Google 182.5k TC (Final negotiations, Uber didn't budge)

TC: 120k
YoE: 1

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TOP 65 Comments
  • Apple / Eng cho Chang
    Google. Higher comp plus it’s all liquid.
    Aug 29, 2018 9
    • OP
      Should I really be optimizing for TC early in my career?
      Aug 29, 2018
    • Apple / Eng cho Chang
      It’s not just for TC. As u mentioned, google also has better brand value.
      Aug 29, 2018
    • OP
      My worry is that Google brand is not what it used be, don't know if that's the case or not though
      Aug 29, 2018
    • Apple / Eng cho Chang
      What makes u think that? They still pay very well and have a high bar.
      Aug 29, 2018
    • OP
      They have around 30-40k engineers I think and that means dilution of the brand? No point in being a Googler if there are tens of thousands of them in the bay area.

      This is what think, but I'm also not sure on that since I've never been an employer before, just some conjectures
      Aug 29, 2018
    • Google GoldenGod
      If you’re to trust blind, almost any poll asking about preference to work, brand perception, compensation etc, google usually comes out on top.
      Aug 29, 2018
    • Apple / Eng cho Chang
      Well, not always comp. But google comes out on top for best workplace/brand.
      Aug 29, 2018
    • Google GoldenGod
      Yes, I agree with you on comp. I’ve seen lots of posts lately about lowball offers. Sorry, too much koolaid for me...
      Aug 29, 2018
    • Uber / Eng ap68na
      Uber. Higher comp when you consider that your growth EV >1, probably closer to 2
      Aug 29, 2018
  • Google Tc UrMom
    Uber if you care about growth. Google if you think 25k is gonna change your life!
    Aug 29, 2018 3
    • OP
      I'm not in need of cash, I'll just invest that 25k extra to index funds or something similar.

      Still, I resented the Uber recruitment and their no-negotiation approach a bit, even though that's immature of me
      Aug 29, 2018
    • Uber / Eng advbjug
      You can blame that no negotiation bullshit on SJWs. Unfortunately it’s likely to spread to other employers as those employers draw scrutiny from the media.
      Aug 29, 2018
    • Uber / Eng ap68na
      Uber has a no negotiation policy for new grads. Their argument is that there is no way to justify that one new grad is better than another without YOE or work experience.
      Aug 29, 2018
  • Salesforce Quitforce
    Google with pay dividends on your resume far more than Uber will...in the long run
    Aug 29, 2018 2
    • OP
      I thought it would be the other way around, is Uber engineering brand that bad?
      Aug 29, 2018
    • Salesforce Quitforce
      Google eng brand is top of the line, uber is good. Google has had decades to cement and build systems. A young engineer getting exposed to solidly built stuff and getting reviews from super good engineers will be better than working through mistakes of a company that is working at a breakneck pace. At a more senior level, I'd suggest jumping from google and doing something more from scratch, but with strengthened fundamentals.
      Aug 29, 2018
  • Uber / Eng hotboi
    I’m 3yoe and loving it at uber. Company has really turned around since last year. I wouldn’t worry about TC since they’re so close. Uber potential growth is much larger too.
    Aug 29, 2018 1
    • OP
      What kind of changes did you experience since last year with the new leadership?
      Aug 29, 2018
  • Uber / Eng advbjug
    You’ll learn a lot more at uber unless you really luck out on what team you get at google (which is unlikely for someone early in their career). At google you’ll just be keeping the lights on.
    Aug 29, 2018 2
    • OP
      Learn a lot in which sense? or do you mean career growth? I don't want to be L5 in 2 years at the expense of my outside work commitments, I've had a very rough year because of that.
      Aug 29, 2018
    • Uber / Eng advbjug
      Knowledge. Experience. Everything is already built at Google unless you get onto one of the few teams actually creating something new. The junior google engineers I’ve interviewed usually do poorly on our architecture interview because so many distributed systems problems are already solved by things like Spanner.
      Aug 29, 2018
  • Uber gugal
    Get that Google tagged in your resume. And then do whatever you want. Uber is definitely good for now, but it is slowly turning into Expedia. People care about brand value at the time and not how it was.

    For example, even though you were in Yahoo when it was the hot shit, no one cares now.

    If you believe in Uber's mission and have strong confidence that stock is gonna at least double in next 2-3 years then don't think twice.

    Not many people get to be a part of one of the largest IPO in the world ;)

    Do you wanna be in your cushy Google sleeping pods or watching TV and cheering for Uber when it will IPO?

    Uber is a solid tech company and it will be just like Amazon or Google if they continue to execute.

    https://stratechery.com/2018/ubers-bundles/
    Aug 29, 2018 2
    • Google nevergunna
      One of the issues with being part of the largest IPO ever is trying to figure out whether any growth is left in the company. Just being part of a large IPO without any upside is a fairly useless exercise IMO.
      Aug 29, 2018
    • Microsoft Pposm
      If they continue to execute how would they become the next Yahoo or Expedia?
      Aug 29, 2018
  • OP
    Thanks for all the answers!

    I'm leaning towards Uber since its a distributed systems team and the projects are fun.

    What will I miss out on if I don't join Google now early in my career?
    Aug 29, 2018 1
  • Uber fjajnrow
    Work at Google for a couple of years. Then join Uber etc where they'll pretty much suck your dick for being ex Google.
    Aug 29, 2018 1
    • OP
      Does it really make a huge difference? Is Uber now less selective than Google?
      Aug 29, 2018
  • Uber / Eng bag
    I have been at both companies. It will be boring work at Google for the most part. Esp as a junior engineer. Small tweaks here and there, and your impact to the company will be pretty much zero.

    Since you already like the team at Uber, it’s a no brainer, just go for Uber. TC is almost same. stock price is low at Uber right now so it will increase.

    Google is always there and you can go there after 4-5 years.
    Aug 29, 2018 0
  • Microsoft msboy
    Def uber. You will learn way more and get more responsibility at the junior level.
    Aug 29, 2018 0
  • Cruise Automation StillEmp
    Wow, cannot believe some many people decline higher google offer for Uber...
    Aug 29, 2018 4
    • Cruise Automation StillEmp
      I know two of my friends did it...
      Aug 29, 2018
    • Uber / Eng zcbjkg
      Looks like they know things others don’t.
      Aug 29, 2018
    • LinkedIn / Eng indeed
      Or they’re just stupid.
      Aug 29, 2018
    • Microsoft msboy
      Tc is most irrelevant at junior levels, learning and growth opportunities more important
      Aug 31, 2018
  • VMware Whatdduck
    Google. Also, make it a poll.
    Aug 29, 2018 6
    • OP
      I can't draw conclusions from the poll results, I need informed opinions from people who've worked at these companies.

      What makes you say Google?
      Aug 29, 2018
    • VMware Whatdduck
      Talk to friends who have worked in these companies. Don’t make a decision just based on Blind as responses here are biased. IMO, you will learn more at Google and would have better opportunities to learn from team members. Google brand early on your career would be a boost for resume. Not saying Uber would be bad. TC should not be a factor as you have a lot of time to catch up. Uber might be good to cash out but in long term, google may be a better bet.
      Aug 29, 2018
    • OP
      Thank you for the answer, you make good points :)

      As for asking friends, the problem is my friends at Google are saying that Google is the best while my friends at Uber are saying Uber's the best. It'd be great if I could get some objective views from people who've been to both places
      Aug 29, 2018
    • VMware Whatdduck
      I have 5 yoe and had to take a similar decision. I had 2 other offers as well and I decided to go to Google. Culture and WLB matter to me. There are many threads in blind comparing these two, search and read.
      Aug 29, 2018
    • Uber / Eng advbjug
      Team will matter more than employer between google and uber
      Aug 29, 2018
    • Google ERJw26
      Google first, you can move to uber later
      Aug 29, 2018
  • Uber
    Aug 29, 2018 0
  • Uber LEMn17
    Uber will give you a broader well rounded experience. You will have to collaborate more and have more impact.

    Google will expose you to the state of the art but your own contribution is going to be minimal.
    Aug 29, 2018 3
    • OP
      How easy is it to get promoted at Uber?

      Do people get fired regularly for underperforming?
      Aug 29, 2018
    • Uber fjajnrow
      Pretty difficult to get promoted after L4, pretty difficult to get fired
      Aug 29, 2018
    • Uber LEMn17
      Uber has moved on from the early stages where firing was common. Now it will like any other big company.

      You obviously will have to work for a promo but they happen regularly; often much faster than other companies.
      Aug 29, 2018
  • Oracle dicktracy
    Early in your career, go to the least organized, nascent organization. Google and Uber would be places to retire when you're ready to settle down. Start at places which will teach you stuff you didn't learn yet!
    Aug 29, 2018 0
  • Twitter talkerdef
    Uber if you want to learn by doing, Google if you want to learn by reading and codelabs. Google likely has the best tech in the industry, getting exposure to that would be useful. On the other hand Google is slow moving, most of the problems are either solved(continue to be improved upon though) or being solved by amazing, very senior engineers, so there may be less chance of getting ownership, getting the chance of being thrown into sink or swim situations, which I feel is the best way to learn. Both places have good WLB but imo it’s best to crank it up a notch early in the career, there’s so much to learn...
    Aug 29, 2018 0
  • Google UJBa23
    Uber, 1 yoe means your are young and most likely not married. Solid 50h/week if you like the projects and the team is actually enjoyable (seriously it is)
    In few years when you feel the burn or your priorities change (relationships/family/etc) you can move to Google to a more senior position
    Aug 29, 2018 0
  • Salesforce
    C22H37NO2

    Salesforce

    BIO
    I am blind to something and you are too.
    C22H37NO2more
    Why don't you try something different like databricks or something on those lines? Uber and Google you can join anytime. If I had to choose I'd go with Uber. Fuck wlb, you can think of that in your mid 30s!
    Also in Google promotions are incredibly hard to get I've heard. And being stuck in a slow growth low impact project at Google isn't going to help in the long term.
    Aug 29, 2018 4
    • Microsoft gfba68
      WLB in your 20s is a beautiful thing
      Aug 29, 2018
    • Salesforce
      C22H37NO2

      Salesforce

      BIO
      I am blind to something and you are too.
      C22H37NO2more
      It's ideal. But it's also the decade to try out all the risky stuff
      Aug 29, 2018
    • Microsoft gfba68
      At this point you can make a ton of money even as a mediocre engineer, especially if you marry someone else in tech. The benefit of going all-in on your career just isn't there anymore for many.
      Aug 29, 2018
    • Salesforce
      C22H37NO2

      Salesforce

      BIO
      I am blind to something and you are too.
      C22H37NO2more
      It's not even for the money. It's for the thrill and the learning curve.
      Aug 29, 2018
  • Amazon Dr. Savage
    Do you know specifically which teams you’re placed in? I think that’s more important than the brand. Otherwise Google because you can build you network of professionals early at the larger company which returns wonders as you get older.
    Aug 29, 2018 2
    • OP
      I wrote about both the teams in the post. Basically, Uber team is working on distributed systems, while Google team is working on tooling with a tiny hint of distributed systems.

      Even though the Uber team is a lot more fun, I don't have deep distributed systems experience. So, I think that'll mean that I have to spend a lot of time researching in addition to delivering -> possibly bad WLB
      Aug 29, 2018
    • Amazon Dr. Savage
      Meh Google will always be there but you can only experience Uber pre-IPO once.
      Aug 30, 2018
  • Qualcomm 46blind
    Whats your skillset ?
    Aug 29, 2018 1
    • OP
      Back-end and data streaming. Keep in mind I'm still early in my career
      Aug 29, 2018
  • Amazon Dr. Savage
    What did you choose OP
    Sep 25, 2018 0
  • Microsoft UwXN33
    Google, of course
    Sep 25, 2018 0
  • Uber PgtV35
    TC is base + equity + signon? Under what valuation is uber's equity calculated?
    Aug 30, 2018 0
  • Microsoft gfba68
    From a resume perspective, both will look very good. It's a draw from that standpoint. From a WLB perspective, from what I hear Google is the better bet there. Either name will get you an interview almost anywhere.
    Aug 29, 2018 0

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