Economic impact of rescinding H4 EAD will be huge

New / Eng mowgli⌨️
Mar 6 44 Comments

Quick background: H4 EAD is a work authorization given only to spouses of H1b workers who are waiting for their Green card. The current administration/ USCIS wants to revoke this authorization.

"...analysis of the collected data shows that any rule change rescinding employment authorization for H-4 visa holders would result in substantial costs to the U.S. economy as well as Federal and State tax coffers. What’s more, those losses would not be offset at all by any increase in employment and income by domestic workers."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ikebrannon/2019/03/05/at-what-cost-assessing-the-high-cost-of-removing-h-4-visa-holders-from-the-american-workforce/

A perfect example of a lose-lose situation.
Please help prevent the rule from being revoked if it does come out for review!

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    • eBay drop13
      This doesn't sound like critical independent mind mate. Sounds more like self inflated ego to overcompensate for worthlessness ;)
      Mar 6
    • eBay AskhYcx7
      "... Indian females are toxic AF ..."
      as do Adobe people who don't actually have any work
      Mar 6
    • Fresenius Medical Care / Eng
      rWCe15

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      This sexist on so many levels. You clearly only respect women by the color of their skin.
      Mar 6
    • Adobe xbid57
      Or maybe I actually have a point? Did you read the post by an American lady about how she had negative experiences with no other female colleagues from around the world except for the ones from India? No? Flagged by the Indian community of course.

      So yeah, maybe my post was itself sexist/toxic...deliberately so, to needle this thin-skinned group which refuses to accept any criticism of itself, and is always ready to play the victim card and point fingers at others at the first available opportunity.
      Mar 6
    • eBay drop13
      Buddy, aren't you the one who is refusing to accept criticism for your sexist comment and pointing fingers to others (ALL indian women, NOT limiting to those who apparently caused trouble for the American lady ) at the first available opportunity? Anybody claiming to have "critical independent mind" wouldn't do this silly thing for sure, would he?
      Mar 6
  • Salesforce lololl
    The government's argument is not based on economic impact. It's based on fact that Congress never authorized h4 to work, so its illegal. Not to say that this admin really cares about the law, but in this case it's suits their purpose
    Mar 6 12
    • Salesforce lololl
      Like I said, court is yet to rule on the legality aspect. Exec orders are not laws , and numerous of them get challenged and thrown out by courts. Congress has the power to make laws and they never said h4 can work
      Mar 6
    • New / Eng mowgli⌨️
      OP
      This is such a popular misconception. H4 EAD is legal. Not because some president signed an executive order but because of INA 274A(h)(3)(A), which states that the power over the decision is discretionary. USCIS is well within it's authority to issue H4 EADs that's exactly what the INA law states!
      Mar 6
    • New / Eng mowgli⌨️
      OP
      And if you are wondering how come it is challenged in courts you probably didn't hear that that Save Jobs USA LOST their first court battle. The trouble now is that USCIS is colluding with them and proposing to rescind the rule stating the "Buy American, Hire American" executive order bypassing the courts.
      Mar 6
    • Microsoft leet_away
      Only Congress can change immigration laws which is why H4 EAD was an executive power overreach. End of discussion.
      Mar 6
    • New / Eng mowgli⌨️
      OP
      Right about Congress being able to enshrine this provision, but wrong about the overreach. Congress passed INA in 1965 which is a law where section INA 274A(h)(3) gives the Attorney General, and now the Secretary of Homeland Security, broad flexibility to authorize an alien to be employable. So it was a discretionary provision as per law already passed by Congress. So giving EAD to H4 holders is just as legal as revoking it.
      Mar 7
  • Intel notpor
    H4 EAD should not be for all and sundry. Need to establish a clear criteria. It’s NOT a lose lose situation. Please don’t assume immigration is a right. It’s a privilege. Alternative is to put numerical limitations on how many H4 EAD can be issued along with asking H4 to wait in their home country for years. Will that work? All this fad will go away when USCIS brings a rule like that.
    Mar 6 9
    • Intel notpor
      @B1nd1ya: Big Firms will move from a business standpoint on what works them. That has been the case all along. Nothing new or surprising.

      Joining spouse in another country outside your home is not a right. Its a priviliege and each country does what works for them, US included. If we talk about rights and fairness all long, then F2A's don't have to endure years of wait to be with their spouse.
      Mar 6
    • Intel notpor
      @Mowgili: That's a very irrational argument. Without H4 dependant visa the H-4 EAD applicants would have to probably go through other alternatives. So the fact that they came as a dependant of a temporary H-1B visa holder in the first place does not change. Every one who comes here legally has the potential to be a US citizen at some point but that does mean you just don't have any criteria from a skillset standpoint in giving H-4 EAD. Thats a dumb decision.
      Mar 6
    • New / Eng mowgli⌨️
      OP
      @notpor, Do you even know that only spouses of H1b folks approved for their Green card are even issued the EAD? It is only given because these people are going to get their Green cards Anyway! So the very assumption that it is given to a temporary worker is itself totally incorrect! The naming should have been something like pre-green card EAD instead of H4. It's not given to someone with some future potential to be a citizen. It is given to someone who has been thoroughly vetted and approved to get a green card!
      Mar 6
    • Amazon B1nd1ya
      1. H4 EADs are given to spouses who have gone past I-140 stage i.e applied, approved and and are eligible for Green Card. They are not given to people who are just in H1Bs
      2. You are missing the larger point. What I didn't do a good job of saying is that when you take such a position, you are disregarding the human element. If this sentiment becomes a national policy, you will see firm talent leave. And the businesses will follow. As many have made the point in this thread, US needs immigration. Not so much India or China. To think otherwise is hubris.
      Mar 6
    • LinkedIn / Eng sane17
      I have worked in 3 of the FANG companies and cracked interview for another. TC 500k and I am an important employee in a top tier tech giant. If H4 ead goes away, I will leave for Canada. I hope all the top talent in the valley think the same way
      Mar 7
  • F5 Networks / Eng dTxn27
    The argument that US needs immigrants to grow is shaky. Neither China nor Indian takes in immigrants, they both grow pretty fast
    Mar 6 3
    • Salesforce lololl
      US population would decline without immigration, but China/India will do fine without it
      Mar 6
    • eBay Ston3c
      Unlike in the US, college is not prohibitively expensive in China and India. This helps them produce STEM graduates at an unmatched rate, though the quality of the graduates vary. They don't need immigrants to innovate and to create jobs. The US certainly does.

      Also, they do take in a lot of immigrants.
      Mar 6
    • Amazon B1nd1ya
      Colleges are getting more and more expensive in India. But it's also the cultural mindset of most Indians to get a STEM degree, while other degrees are looked down upon.
      Mar 6
  • Amazon / IT rayLogan
    To begin with, this privilege didn't exist earlier. How can it be computed that it'll result in huge losses? On the contrary, it will allow only the really abled and talented individuals compete for the jobs than having back-door channels to hook up people you know!
    Mar 6 3
    • New / Biz Dev
      cable

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      cablemore
      Well said. Exactly my thoughts
      Mar 6
    • Amazon B1nd1ya
      Because now you have data points to compute from the last 3 years. There may or may not be enough meat on the economic argument bone.

      But here's food for thought, if there is not enough economiic impact, why change it? What is the downside risk? Stealing American jobs? Bit you just made the argument that there is not enough impact!
      Mar 6
    • New / Eng mowgli⌨️
      OP
      Now I wonder why I even posted a link.
      Mar 6
  • New / Biz Dev
    cable

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    cablemore
    Does USA need that additional workforce currently? It's like 2-in-1 where latter one is ready to work with lower wage causing disturbance...
    Mar 6 1
    • New / Eng mowgli⌨️
      OP
      Good god! please do read the link. It's from a study done by folks looking at a LOT more economic data points than the two of us.
      Mar 6
  • Microsoft bOGbJK
    One thing I never understood why Trump didn't just use an executive order to close the loop hole. It's not like the original authorization went through Congress right ? Or does the existing lawsuit impact this.
    Mar 6 0

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