New grad from Uni Montreal graduating in 3 months. The position in all the 3 companies are basically the same. The reputation of cos are also the same (Edmonton might be more researchy but has slightly lower quality peers). I know Bay Area offers the most flexibility but is relatively boring for younger folks. Is there a LARGE learning/peer quality difference is these cities? Will staying in the Bay Area make me a better engineer for the future? Given large comp difference between TO and ED, I am pretty sure the choice is between Toronto and Bay Area at this point. (Rounded comp : 120K CAD for Edmonton, 170K CAD Toronto, 180K USD Bay Area)
Bay Area >>> Edmonton > Toronto A good house in Edmonton is like 400K, Toronto would be 1 million minimum.
But Edmonton is cold like frostpunk
Having worked in both locations, if you are ambitious about career, making products in untested markets, solving difficult technical challenges, no questions asked Bay Area. Here’s the sad truth: Companies in Bay Area have Canadian offices (or some European offices ) mainly to offload processes or services that are too expensive to maintain in Bay Area due to high salaries or projects that do not require Bay Area top level talent (there’s an insane amount of fakers here too). The quality of peers depends on team and sometimes luck. Every company that survives has good talents but you might be matched to a team with terrible peers.
Thank you! Really helpful!
Bay - Toronto - Edmonton ( for TC) and reverse ( for quality of life)
One thing to keep in mind is that USD is doing far better than CAD atm. Cost of living in Toronto ain't cheap, and tax is definitely higher (even after relatively higher tax in Cali you will still pay less there). Toronto is more favourable to younger crowds but that's only if you know people. Dating scene there is pretty terrible and people in general fall under snobby category.
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Where the fk would you be making 170k in Toronto?
From what I have heard, some startups are willing to shell out that amount of cash for the right talent. They are hyper selective tho.
Yeah but this guys just graduating. I graduated from a top program with 4 yoe and I'm pulling in 185k