Eval my GOOGLE E4 offer

Microsoft gay4pay
Mar 15, 2018 69 Comments

With MSFT for 6 years, 8years total exp. LVL62 currently (yes, I know, I suck, but ... reorgs ... ).

Google came back with:
140 base
15% bonus
350k rsu
20k sign on

My MSFT base is higher now .... wtf ???
I suck at system design, so that round prob didn't go over so well, if it matters.

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  • Lyft jgram
    350K in RSUs is more than you'll get in 15 years as a L62.
    Mar 15, 2018 1
    • Microsoft gay4pay
      OP
      Is this your first day on blind ? This is not about being rational / fair / analytical. Its about being as greedy as possible and never quite happy with anything you get.
      Mar 15, 2018
  • Microsoft [
    But the total comp is way higher.
    Mar 15, 2018 7
    • Amazon JezzBefos
      Sad that you can't work at the least popular faang and cry at your desk? :P
      Mar 15, 2018
    • Facebook public
      All of my friends at amzn love it. They have been there 4+ years.
      Mar 15, 2018
    • Amazon JezzBefos
      Could you not sense the sarcasm? If I thought it was a bad place to work at, I wouldn't have spoken of "reputation" but instead would have posted the same tired copy pasta you see 50 times a day on Blind: " dude, trust me, just Google 'face of Amazon', that place will ruin your career, you won't be able to find a job in the industry after Jeff personally fires you so he can become richer"
      Mar 15, 2018
    • Facebook gozilla
      amz sucks
      Mar 16, 2018
    • Google frenemy123
      For many, the reason the base salary is important is if they own or are in the process of buying a home. Lenders can’t use equity for a home purchase and only look at base. I had to go back and forth with google to get my offer to where it is and they finally got it after the recruiter explained I was in the process of buying a house. TC is still higher than where I was.
      Mar 28, 2018
  • Microsoft HCF
    Google. No brainer. Money is not everything. Working at a dying company is worse.
    Mar 15, 2018 15
    • Amazon I-666
      Curious, can you tell what projects are teams considered cool inside Google?
      Apr 9, 2018
    • Google Facebook
      Brain, DeepMind, Waymo, Search ranking, etc.
      Apr 9, 2018
    • Amazon I-666
      None from cloud/gcp?
      Apr 9, 2018
    • Google Facebook
      Google is now all about AI. It wants to be at the vanguard of technological singularity. So if there’s something in GCP related to AI research, it’s definitely cool.
      Apr 9, 2018
    • Amazon I-666
      Thanks for the clarification :)
      Apr 9, 2018
  • Apple gEHy21
    Why is your name “gay4pay”?
    Mar 15, 2018 2
    • Microsoft gay4pay
      OP
      pm me your offer and find out
      Mar 15, 2018
    • Microsoft Fme
      Bc he will swing both ways for $$?
      Mar 15, 2018
  • Facebook / Eng Impact!
    Why is base so low at Google? TC is top market but base matters in mortgage affordability. Your RSU won't count.
    Mar 15, 2018 2
    • Google 💩 poo poo
      Find a better broker. There are plenty that know how to take RSU into account, especially if you've earned it long term already.
      Mar 15, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng CwCJ71
      Do you have any broker or mortgage lender that takes RSU into account?
      Mar 16, 2018
  • Google Facebook
    Great offer, above average, especially for Seattle. In MTV the average was 145/250/no sign on.
    Mar 15, 2018 2
    • Microsoft gay4pay
      OP
      lool for 8 years exp, u sure abt that ? Friend got 154k 350rsu with 5yr exp no competitive offers
      Mar 15, 2018
    • Google Facebook
      L4 across US ranges from 200 to 350 (but only <10% make more than 300 in fact) with a median of 250. You got higher total comp than half of L4 at Google. Your friend got a bit more and got to 60 percentile. Consider cost of living in CA and I guess you still take home more.
      Mar 15, 2018
  • Microsoft / Eng zas
    6 years sde2 is ok I think? lots of people in this band.
    Mar 15, 2018 0
  • Google MqJz07
    L4 here 160k base 250 stocks 20 bonus
    Mar 15, 2018 6
    • Google MqJz07
      No it was mtv. It was ads (which I hate) it was not java (which is my 10 year experience). But I took it because it took forever for them to give a concrete offer
      Mar 15, 2018
    • Microsoft gay4pay
      OP
      y u got e4 with 10yr exp ? y no e5 ? what language ?
      Mar 15, 2018
    • Google MqJz07
      I must be that I didn't do all that amazing at interviews. Which makes sense. I solved all the questions but for some of them I didn't excel. I wrote mostly in Java. If you want ask me more in private
      Mar 15, 2018
    • Akamai Technologies / Eng BYGT12
      Sorry im new in blind. 250 per year or 4 yrs?
      Mar 22, 2018
    • Microsoft Goro
      You might be new on Planet Earth if you think it can be 250/yr at lvl4 :). It is indeed 250/4yr vested monthly = 62.5/yr = 5.2k/mo
      Mar 22, 2018
  • LinkedIn FDHN44
    I have similar experience and got a E4 google offer In last April. It’s 165 Base, 500K RSU, 50k sign on, I didn’t accept it though since I got a better offer at LinkedIn.
    Mar 15, 2018 5
    • Google Facebook
      Which level did you get at LinkedIn? Senior (analog of E4) caps at 180/300/60 sign on.
      Mar 15, 2018
    • Microsoft gay4pay
      OP
      how many yrs exp u had ? was that initial offer or after negotiate ? what was initial ? how much did they wanna negotiate up to ?
      Mar 15, 2018
    • LinkedIn FDHN44
      LinkedIn is senior level (same as E4 at Google) as well. If you got Vp Approval, you can get number higher than the cap of the level
      Mar 15, 2018
    • LinkedIn FDHN44
      I have 7 years exp, I was lazy before so stuck at E4 for a long time. The google offer is the initial offer I got, but i told them I’ve got offer from Airbnb, Uber with number so that the can gave me a competitive initial offer, I didn’t negotiate the offer after
      Mar 15, 2018
    • Google jxgX64
      Pretty sure senior does not cap at those numbers for senior
      Mar 17, 2018
  • Microsoft wlb
    Dude did you already join Google now? I didn’t see any numbers on your current comp so how do we decide if it makes sense or not to accept the offer?
    Apr 6, 2018 8
    • Microsoft gay4pay
      OP
      It was ..... im not tellin :( .. it wasn't low though.
      Apr 6, 2018
    • Microsoft wlb
      Bro is it over 350k?
      Apr 6, 2018
    • Microsoft gay4pay
      OP
      base is under 350k, if that helps. bonus is also under 350k.
      when you say 350k , do you mean if (base + 15%) + (RSU / 4) < 350k ? or do you also count stock refresh overlap in the first four years. do you also count signing bonus
      Apr 6, 2018
    • Microsoft gay4pay
      OP
      also doesn't E5 top out at 375k ? (185 base, 600 RSU, 50k sign on). so 350k would be a ridiculously good offer.
      Apr 6, 2018
    • Microsoft wlb
      bro 350k is obviously the total comp. only netflix will give a base over 350k. 375k for E5 sounds about right to me, but i would expect it to top out over 400k. 350k is a decent offer for sure.
      Apr 7, 2018
  • Apple a1z2x3c4
    There was another thread on L4 offer in Mtn View and I think the base was 160K-165K. That was considered a very good L4 offer.
    Mar 15, 2018 2
    • Microsoft gay4pay
      OP
      Doesnt it depends on experience too ? 2yr E4 vs 8yr E4 isnt quite comparable
      Mar 15, 2018
    • Apple a1z2x3c4
      I assume so; if I remember correctly the person with the L4 offer I am mentioning had a PhD + 4-5 years experience in Qualcomm
      Mar 15, 2018
  • Microsoft / Eng IBKl87
    Nice offer, congrats. Is this for Kirkland ? What did they ask in system design round btw?
    Mar 15, 2018 1
    • Microsoft gay4pay
      OP
      NDA signed sorry
      Mar 15, 2018
  • Zillow Group tresxo
    Are u on H1? , by the look of things any offer wouldn't matter
    Mar 15, 2018 1
    • Microsoft gay4pay
      OP
      no h1
      Mar 15, 2018
  • New Umbee
    If it didn't go well how did they make an offer?
    Mar 15, 2018 1
    • Microsoft gay4pay
      OP
      I didnt say it didn't went well, that is implied. I kinda said it didn't go excellent, like the coding rounds did.
      Mar 15, 2018
  • Google Qqqqqqq
    Some people ITT saying L4 is senior at Google, no it isn’t. L5 is senior.
    Mar 17, 2018 0
  • Microsoft Yuk
    Aim for 150 base 360k stock 25k sign on.
    Mar 16, 2018 0