Evaluate Facebook offer for E4

Microsoft / Eng @sb
Feb 11, 2018 70 Comments

Recently cleared FB interview. Following is the package - 1. Base 140k 2. Stock 220k 3. Relocation expenses + 16k relocation bonus (relocating from India). Location Melno park. Will be relocating with wife.

Can you suggest how is the offer?

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  • Amazon
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    Don't do it, that is way too low in silicon valley. You will regret your decision. Better, try to find something in Seattle with Microsoft. Salary wise it'll work out in your favor.
    Feb 11, 2018 14
    • Facebook KingVegeta
      Just to be clear, you're talking about Amazon L5 / SDE2 and not E5 equivalent which is SDE?
      Feb 11, 2018
    • Amazon
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      Yes, that is correct. I feel the OP is being low-balled because he is an international relo. He should not accept anything less than $230k TC with a base closing in on 165-175
      Feb 11, 2018
    • Facebook KingVegeta
      I really want some of what you're smoking. 165-175 is E5 base.
      Feb 11, 2018
    • Amazon
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      What I am trying to tell the OP is that with 7 years of experience he is qualified to be an high-band L5 at Amazon, with a TC nearing 275, 165-175 base, and rest in RSUs plus Sign-On. So his FB offer is a low ball.

      Again , you have a typical Facebook user mentality ; go personal on people that have a different point of view. Having said that, I do respect FB engineers, most of them are pretty darn good.
      Feb 11, 2018
    • Facebook KingVegeta
      1. Amazon has a base salary cap, was it 165k?
      2. 7 years of experience in India doesn't mean much for most companies here.
      3. Your info on target comp for Amazon L5 being 300k is so terribly wrong.
      Feb 11, 2018
    • Facebook Osmandias
      I heard the cap is not for Silicon Valley
      Feb 11, 2018
    • Amazon
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      @KingVegeta - 165k is salary cap for Seattle, not for the Bay Area. Amazon bends over backwards in the valley if they want to hire a candidate. That's why I said, 275-285k for someone with 7 years experience at a tier 1 company and a MS degree is easily achievable, in fact it is a low band for them.

      And let's agree to disagree here. I am at Amazon and I know what they pay around here in the valley. I am not at Facebook so I can't comment. My sole point was that the guy is being low-balled and I wanted to genuinely help him get a better offer
      Feb 11, 2018
    • Amazon Vcrhvx
      160 is the base cap in Seattle not 165 and no L5 is getting $300k target comp in Seattle. You may get $300k in the bay for a target comp but that’s going to be a huge exception, one that the OP does not have the experience to get.
      Feb 11, 2018
    • Amazon
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      1. I was talking about Bay Area
      2. For OP, I was suggesting around 275 TC, not 300.
      Feb 11, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng @yo
      Well adding base + stock + bonus it comes to 210k. Add to that 16k relocation bonus. Visa + air tickets + relocation cost will easily cost 10k. So that makes it roughly 236k.
      Feb 12, 2018
  • Microsoft UMbR31
    If you're moving from India to an FB L4 role, just do it. You are getting a large Corp to apply for a H1B with a decent salary. US tech companies equate all India experience to zero, so I think this is a good opportunity for you. You can always go back to your old place / similar in India if things don't work.

    Yes, the pay is slightly lower than median. But that's because people join with US experience and all Indians do after a 2 year Masters degree+experience, which in the company's perception, is better.
    Feb 11, 2018 5
    • Microsoft / Eng @sb
      OP
      I also have Master's degree in CS from the best college in India.
      Feb 11, 2018
    • Microsoft UMbR31
      Na man, it's not at all about your skill or a post grad education. So the single biggest hurdle in getting that US tech job is that goddam H1B visa. The US Masters degree is like a right of way into it because of visa laws... So: my point is the following. If someone's handing you an L4 without doing the standard right of way, take it.
      Feb 11, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng @sb
      OP
      Thanks for your advise. This really helps.
      Feb 11, 2018
    • Microsoft UMbR31
      I have friends from big 5-IIT Masters who took 'whatever job they could get in the middle of nowhere in the US in no name companies', they are all at top 5 corps after 1-2 years. Obviously once you clear that h1b lottery, a large hurdle to professional progress is removed. You must be really good if that first random job happens to be Facebook!
      Feb 11, 2018
    • Microsoft UMbR31
      Why can't that first-random-job be Microsoft tho? Is msft Redmond less likely to work out?
      Feb 11, 2018
  • Microsoft / Eng @sb
    OP
    No sign in bonus :( .... Level at MS 62. No competing offer. Role is as Android developer.
    Feb 11, 2018 9
    • Facebook KingVegeta
      How many years of experience? Trying to see if you were barely E4 or a strong E4.

      Either way, you can DEFINITELY negotiate a signing bonus easily (maybe even without a competing offer). Try to get a decent competing offer to bump up the base to ~150k and equity to ~250-275k.
      Feb 11, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng @sb
      OP
      Total years of experience 6.5 years. Interview was not completely great.
      Feb 11, 2018
    • Facebook KingVegeta
      That might be why. The numbers I mentioned above are still reasonable for you. They're not top-of-line.
      Feb 11, 2018
    • Cruise Automation / Eng
      6.5 years is only E4? I'm looking at levels.fyi and I'm the equivalent at only 2 years
      Feb 11, 2018
    • Facebook KingVegeta
      6.5 years in India. Even 6.5 years in a company that's not widely recognized in the US will most likely fetch E4.
      Feb 11, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng @sb
      OP
      I am at MSFT. Prior to that I was at intel.
      Feb 11, 2018
    • Monsanto wateva
      If you don’t mind me asking, which visa are they planning to bring you in on?
      Feb 11, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng @sb
      OP
      H1B
      Feb 11, 2018
    • Apple URI123
      That’s a good offer and you should take it, knowing that your interview did not go very well. Also, your experience is based in India not in US. That counts too. Don’t compare to others. Every other person is different and their numbers would differ in what they bring to the table. I would pay 25 - 40% more for similar skills if all the experience was in US. If you do well in a couple of years, things will readjust.
      Feb 11, 2018
  • Salesforce palmreader
    How do you relocate without visa?
    Feb 11, 2018 4
    • Microsoft / Eng @sb
      OP
      FB will apply for H1B. If I dont get visa, the offer will be cancelled
      Feb 11, 2018
    • Salesforce palmreader
      Ok, good luck
      Feb 11, 2018
    • Facebook KingVegeta
      Why? Wouldn't they give you the option to relocate to London until you get your H-1B?

      Also, I didn't notice earlier that you're relocating from India. You might have a hard time getting competitive offers for leverage before moving here. Your offer is a huge step up from your current comp and is a great start either way, so congratulations and good luck!
      Feb 11, 2018
    • Oracle Nutelła
      Good luck with the visa part.
      Feb 11, 2018
  • Fitbit mahalo2
    Base can go upto 160k. Stock can go upto 300k. Can greatly increase the sign on bonus. The recruiter is selling you cheap. Go ask for more.
    Feb 11, 2018 0
  • Facebook PSC-fever
    My E4 offer in 2015dec ( I had 4 years of prior exp) : base 140k , sign-on : 15 or 20k , rsu: 165k

    With Facebook/google don’t worry about pay. If you are getting less pay to start with they will normalize it in one or two perf cycles . On the other hand if you start with very high pay , they will again normalize it in a half or two.
    Feb 11, 2018 9
    • Microsoft / Eng @sb
      OP
      Thanks for the info. How is the stress level at facebook ?
      Feb 11, 2018
    • Google Noogler69
      I don’t think this is true. At least at Google, refreshers don’t seem to depend on the grants you’re already vesting. So the size of the initial stock grant will basically affect you for four years.
      Feb 11, 2018
    • Google Noogler69
      Stress level at Facebook is extremely high. The stack ranking is brutal.
      Feb 11, 2018
    • Facebook KingVegeta
      There's no stack ranking at Facebook. You can't coast at Facebook so the stress level is definitely higher than at Google, but most people still enjoy their jobs.
      Feb 11, 2018
    • Google Noogler69
      That’s just some of the bullshit propaganda Facebook tells people. The leaders of each org have target percentages for how many of each rating they want to give out, and then in calibration, the org’s managers have to assign ratings so that they hit that distribution. I.e. stack ranking.
      Feb 11, 2018
    • Google Noogler69
      I think that’s pretty much how it has to work at any big company. But what makes it so bad at Facebook is that they set the number of bad ratings to give out so damn high.
      Feb 11, 2018
    • Facebook PSC-fever
      @Noogler69 , your right. I was wrong , Base pay would be normalized . But not initial RSU and sign on.
      Feb 11, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng @sb
      OP
      @PSC-fever ... what is your take on stress level at FB? @Noogler69 did you work in FB before ?
      Feb 11, 2018
    • Google Noogler69
      I did
      Feb 12, 2018
  • Facebook KingVegeta
    It's not great, median or slightly lower for E4. Do you have no competing offers? What's the signing bonus?
    Feb 11, 2018 0
  • Facebook / Eng wavvy
    Do you have any other offers here? If not do it. You'll make more the long run. These people telling you to stay in India or "you can't afford the bay" are stupid.
    Feb 11, 2018 1
    • Microsoft / Eng @sb
      OP
      @wavvy ... how has been your experience at facebook? How is the stress level ?
      Feb 12, 2018
  • Amazon lastword
    I got the same offer for their Seattle office. Over 4 years of experience at Amazon.

    FWIW, I wasn’t even able to get them to budge on the signing bonus. My mistake was not getting some competing offers.
    Feb 11, 2018 2
    • Facebook / Eng fmlpls
      Signing bonus is the easiest to move on actually.
      Feb 11, 2018
    • Amazon lastword
      Right, that’s why I brought it up. If they’re not gonna play ball with negotiating a signing bonus, then I’m definitely not going to be able to convince them to offer more RSUs or a higher salary.
      Feb 11, 2018
  • Facebook sum41pwd
    Sounds reasonable to me, get a place in Fremont and your rent won’t be too crazy; do well your first year and your raise will be bigger if you’re on the lower end of the band. Apart from comp, are there other things you care about that you should factor in?
    Feb 11, 2018 4
    • Microsoft / Eng @sb
      OP
      Thanks for the input. Whats the stress level at fb ?
      Feb 11, 2018
    • Facebook sum41pwd
      It varies by team, and ability/fit tbh. Are you pre-allocated?
      Feb 11, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng @sb
      OP
      I guess so. My manager name mentioned is Kevin McCray. Whats your experience ?
      Feb 11, 2018
    • Facebook sum41pwd
      It’s been great, love my manager, work is challenging and probably consumes too much of my life, but I enjoy it.
      Feb 12, 2018
  • Microsoft / Eng @sb
    OP
    Yup it is 16K. I wrongly mentioned 10k
    Feb 11, 2018 3
    • Facebook KingVegeta
      That's on top of flight tickets / movers / temp accommodation. You're also eligible for 15k more if you end up living within 10 miles of the Facebook campus.
      Feb 11, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng @sb
      OP
      Yes. Was not aware of extra 15k.
      Feb 11, 2018
    • Facebook KingVegeta
      Be sure to check with your recruiter on that. It used to be 15k a year ago, might have changed since.
      Feb 11, 2018
  • Facebook / Eng fmlpls
    New hire with two years experience, my TC is 250k (high end of E4)
    Feb 11, 2018 1
    • Facebook sum41pwd
      Did you have competing offers?
      Feb 11, 2018
  • Facebook / Eng Guest15
    You can get up to 145K base, 300K stock and add a cash signing bonus up to $50K. I can’t speak to the relocation bonus though.
    Feb 11, 2018 1
    • Microsoft / Eng @sb
      OP
      @Guest15 ... whats your experience at facebook. How is the stress level ?
      Feb 12, 2018
  • SEVENROOMS / Eng DEADB33F
    So about 195k total compensation per year? That sounds very low.
    Feb 11, 2018 1
    • Facebook KingVegeta
      That's more like 210k, which is median or slightly lower for E4.
      Feb 11, 2018
  • eBay eBæ
    Mind sharing what the interview experience was like? I'm considering a similar position. I was told their relocation package is based on family size. 10k for single, 16k for married, and I think 25k for married with kids.
    Feb 11, 2018 0
  • Microsoft Ttikh
    Level and comp at MS? Did you disclose it?
    Feb 11, 2018 0

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