Evaluate Google L5 EM offer?

New star234
Dec 16, 2018 33 Comments

I was a Director of Engineering at a startup with 18yr yoe. I got my EMBA from a top university recently. I interviewed for L6 EM; however, committee pushed it down to L5 EM at the last minute. Not sure which interview, I didn't do well.

I already finished the team matching stage. I am at a negotiation stage with HR. She told me that the high end rage for L5 EM is

Mountain View, CA
Base: $150-160K
RSU: $250-260K / 4 yrs
Target Bonus: 15%

Isn't this offer the starting point for L5 based on https://www.teamblind.com/article/google-engineer---total-compensation-in-us---ultimate-post-jYcrij5X

And https://www.levels.fyi/?compare=Google&track=Software%20Engineering%20Manager

Also, I just got a call from Amazon for a similar role.

To start the negotiation, I set the high expectation of 400+ TC as I was making base - $200k, $50k Bonus, and 100k options (may be worth $500k/4yrs) at the startup.

Are they lowballing? Should I walk out? If so, at what range should I walk out? Should I tell HR about the Amazon? Is it better to take chances with Amazon?

Thanks in advance!

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TOP 33 Comments
  • Amazon JSnowflake
    Daaamn homie, they are strapping it on, pegging you like a b*tch and asking you to beg for more with that offer. Interview at Amazon for L6 SDM and get 400k no problem.
    Dec 16, 2018 3
    • Google / Mgmt Riker
      The market has gone down after FB tanked this year
      Dec 16, 2018
    • Amazon JSnowflake
      Nyet, seen tons of big offers going around.
      Dec 17, 2018
    • Google / Mgmt Riker
      Offer numbers? More likely they were down leveled offers for people applying L6+.
      Dec 17, 2018
  • Google KissMyPiss
    Get your Amazon offer and tell them they need to step it up. If they don't, then you must have really bombed an interview. I'd probably let go of the opportunity if they aren't willing to at least match Amazon.
    Dec 16, 2018 0
  • Salesforce profiles
    Director of engineering at a startup isn't really that high unless the start up is successful isn't it? I've seen founders of small companies go into Google as L4/L5. Don't know what their salary is though.
    Dec 16, 2018 0
  • Facebook / Eng chunk
    Are you non eng? This is a low l4 offer
    Dec 16, 2018 2
    • New star234
      OP
      Eng background. Software Architecture and development experience.
      Dec 16, 2018
    • Postmates 🌳fiddy
      So low for that profile!!
      Dec 17, 2018
  • Google / Eng c5psu8
    That's definitely not the high end for L5. Go interview other places and tell Google you don't feel comfortable with that offer given your "market research". The offer is good for a year anyway. Don't get pressured into taking it.
    Dec 17, 2018 0
  • Zillow Group zillowman
    Decline the offer for now, google offers are valid 1 year, try other companies
    Dec 16, 2018 0
  • New star234
    OP
    Thank you all for the help! Google gave me 7 days to accept the offer. Amazon wanted to talk after I told them that I got an offer; however, it was too late as it is the holiday season. Talked to Manager from Google, they were very supportive of growth. So, I accepted the final offer 176k/450 (4 yr)/25k - TC 314K.
    Dec 24, 2018 2
    • Amazon JSnowflake
      Congrats! Much better than where they started - that is 25th percentile L5 range according to Google ultimate comp thread, so it is a fair in-band offer at Google. Also, given that you get refreshers at Google, this is the equivalent of an Amazon 350-375k offer. Enjoy, and best of luck!
      Dec 24, 2018
    • Google alumnius
      Good result.
      Dec 24, 2018
  • New star234
    OP
    After some negotiation, they increased the offer to

    Base: $173k
    RSU: $450k/4 yrs
    Bonus: $26k
    Sign-on: $25k

    TC: $315K.

    As per the recruiter this is 36% higher than what they typically offer.

    Still negotiating! It seems like they increased it to the middle of what they mentioned and what I asked for. However, it is baffling to me that the recruiter said that RSU 450K is the most generous offer she has seen in the last 3yrs she worked. Not sure whether to believe her or she doesn't have experience recruiting at this level.
    Dec 20, 2018 2
    • Google / Eng c5psu8
      That's really good for L5 fwiw. 600k RSU is the highest I've realistically seen but that's hard to come by without competing offers and it's very rare. That's a very competitive salary for the level.

      Note that bonus target is 15%, not dollars, and with normal performance will be slightly higher, maybe 16-17%.
      Dec 20, 2018
    • My L5 offer was $250k in stock over 4Y but it doubled after they hired Ruth Porat. I estimated my TC would be $250k and I was happy. It turned out averaging $340k TC with on-call payments. If you are a SWE you have a matching offer.
      Dec 24, 2018
  • L5 IC at Google ranges $300k - $450k TC. $175k(mean base) +15% + stock. Managers are in the upper half. I got your offer (L5) five years ago ...
    Dec 18, 2018 2
    • Google alumnius
      Untrue. Generally, managers have the same comp range or slightly lower.
      Dec 18, 2018
    • Google / Eng c5psu8
      Managers are not paid more than ICs.
      Dec 19, 2018
  • Google alumnius
    Comparable comp for your startup is more like 250k. The options aren't liquid, so not really worth anything to compare with Google stock.

    That said, this isn't a fantastic offer. How many reports did you have as director?

    FWIW, there's not really a "last minute" for hiring committee.
    Dec 16, 2018 1
    • New star234
      OP
      20+ reports.
      Dec 16, 2018
  • LinkedIn Bike
    Location ?
    Dec 16, 2018 1
    • New star234
      OP
      Mountain View, CA.
      Dec 16, 2018
  • Microsoft msboy
    That's a shit offer. Go to Microsoft you can probably get principal engineer
    Dec 16, 2018 0
  • This is low
    Dec 16, 2018 0
  • Google L7@AWS
    Is there a sign on? This is very low for L5
    Dec 16, 2018 3
    • New star234
      OP
      No. She said, sign on is not offered for standard offers.
      Dec 16, 2018
    • Google L7@AWS
      If this is SWE ladder you can negotiate a lot more
      Dec 16, 2018
    • Amazon Invisibl
      Sign on not offered? First time I’m hearing this
      Dec 27, 2018
  • LinkedIn Bike
    Try to go for atleast $400k Tc
    Dec 20, 2018 0
  • Oracle Pearman
    That’s a very low end offer
    Dec 17, 2018 0
  • Apple vAAA81
    I sure hope this is low. Doesn’t sound very competitive.
    Dec 16, 2018 0

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