Evaluate Microsoft offer

Amazon acrosslake
Aug 22 28 Comments

Please help evaluate (edited with revised offer)
Current:
SDE2 (L5) AWS
TC~ 200k (140k + stocks awarded at SDE1 joining plus at promotion etc.)
YOE - 3 at Amazon, 3 before Amazon
Joined Amazon as SDE1

Offer:
Level: 62
Base: 150k
RSU: 130K over 4 years
Bonus - upto 20%
Sign on 45K (30K + 15K)
Team: C+E

Should I take it?
My objective is to get into Microsoft at L63, have asked recruiter to confirm. I am ok with minor adjustments on TC initially as long as I get in at L63.

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  • โ€œBonus - upto 20%โ€ implies SDE2. This is likely a L62 offer. Sorry mate.
    Aug 22 1
    • Microsoft Amurica
      Yes L62. Target is 10% bonus annually. 20% is like greatly exceeds at FB. Rare to get.
      Aug 23
  • Microsoft / Eng AmYe88
    Your are getting very low balled if this is for 63 Level
    Aug 22 0
  • New MITftw
    Were you offered Bonus when you got promoted from SDE1 to SDE2?
    Aug 22 5
    • Amazon acrosslake
      OP
      No bonus. Got RSUs.
      Aug 22
    • New MITftw
      Just RSUs ? How much did the base increase?
      Aug 22
    • Amazon acrosslake
      OP
      15%. Promotion happened around OLR, so adding them up.
      Aug 22
    • New MITftw
      What's OLR? Sorry if it's a noob question
      Aug 22
    • Amazon acrosslake
      OP
      Annual review.
      Aug 22
  • Microsoft / R&D AFuX02
    Stocks can go much higher
    Aug 22 4
    • Amazon acrosslake
      OP
      For 62 or 63?
      Aug 22
    • Oracle ora6cle
      L62 avg stocks is 150k bro
      Aug 22
    • Amazon acrosslake
      OP
      Thanks. Ready to walk away.
      Aug 22
    • Microsoft Amurica
      L62 avg stock more like 50k. Stellar performers or people the company really wants may get more. Don't set that as a standard.
      Aug 23
  • Microsoft jeff12345
    Why would you want to join as 63? 62->63 and 63->64 are relatively easy promos that will earn you more $.
    Aug 22 1
    • Amazon acrosslake
      OP
      Heard 62 ->63 is hard? In your experience, how long does it take usually for an external hire at 62 to get to 63, and then to 64?
      Aug 22
  • Oracle ora6cle
    This is avg L62 offer..
    Aug 22 0
  • Apple onepunch
    The offer is bad. Do not join. Unless u are looking to FIRE.
    Aug 22 0
  • Amazon acrosslake
    OP
    Thanks for the replies.

    Another factor that appears to be in favor of Microsoft is their benefits. Just considering parking, commute, toll, fitness reimbursement, and health insurance, I would easily save ~1K per month at MS. Then, there's 401K. Growth would probably be faster at MS. My org at AWS has a fleet of SDE2s who have been at this level for close to 4 years or more.
    Aug 22 4
    • 63 stock target is 17k and 64 stock target is 24k. Cash bonus target is 15% of base for both. Do you think itโ€™s going to be worth it after the on-hire stock vests? Amazon L6 can earn much more than this. Why donโ€™t you consider switching orgs within AWS?
      Sep 22
    • Amazon max9chars
      I thought stock refreshers are higher at 63 and 64. Base 165-170, bonus 15% and stocks another 15% so 50k odd bonus every year. Is that not correct?
      Does 62 qualify for EB2? Not that it matters right now, but if it were to matter in the future, I'd rather be in EB2.
      At Amazon, I feel my manager is pulling me back. If I don't "get to" work on high visibility projects, getting to L6 is not likely. Changing orgs is a hit or miss situation at best, almost like changing company.
      Sep 22
    • Nope. Stock range for 63 is 0-34k (17k target) and 64 is 0-48k (24k target). You are right about bonus.
      With your experience you will easily qualify for EB2. Though it wouldnโ€™t matter if you are from one of the high waitlist countries (India or China).
      Sep 23
    • Getting to 63 is going to be hard even at Microsoft especially for a new hire. The only advantage you have is the on-hire stock. But your TC will drop after 4 years even if you manage to get promoted to 63 within that period.
      Source: Iโ€™m a 63 with TC 200k (base 156k) and leaving for another company for a 50% bump.
      Sep 23
  • Schlumberger IpIe15
    Thats a good L62 offer. I got L62 offer with 140/90/25. But I have total 3.5 YOE non FAANG
    Sep 22 0
  • Amazon acrosslake
    OP
    Updated post with revised offer.
    Aug 23 0
  • Microsoft bumptc
    Donโ€™t join, garbage
    Aug 22 0
  • Amazon / Eng AMZNBucks
    Absolutely not why would you do that

    Especially for that org
    Aug 22 0
  • Autodesk leetyeet
    Probably low
    Aug 22 0