Evaluate Zoox vs Waymo offer

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Sep 17 28 Comments

UPDATED Waymo comp:
Need feedback on whether to stay where I am vs. jumping to Zoox or Waymo.
Currently discussing offers - verbal with recruiter at this point, don't want to start official offer process until I decide to actually pursue.
Zoox: TC=325k : L5 / 205k base / 35k signon / 446k RSU (not liquid) / actual role very interesting / 0% 401k Match / decent benefits
Waymo: TC=327k : L6 (Staff) / 210k base / 20% bonus / $0 signon / 300k RSU (not liquid) / actual role less interesting / max $9,125k 401k match / Google benefits
YOE: 17, in hardware/systems design, always individual contributor (not mgr).
Both Zoox and Waymo will have upside and possible (not guaranteed) RSU refreshes.

Current TC: 478k total ($376k/year guaranteed cash + 400k bonus with 50% chance of getting it within next 4 years):
Pay described is for next ~ 3.5 yrs (221k base + 10% bonus + guaranteed monthly retention cash payments + 10k 401k match) + 400k unvested cash payments over next 4 yrs based on team performance against very tight deadlines and difficult objectives (I look at it as 50% chance i'll get it). Current role medium interesting but not as exciting as I was hoping for.
After next ~ 4 years - no visibility of future career growth. My company is in top 100 (but non-Apple), not a startup and can't offer RSU refresh. Possible LTI of maybe 20% but not guaranteed. Future career prospects with this company after 4 years unclear.

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  • Amazon qw6fe$
    So you want to switch from current $476K TC to $325K or $285K?
    Why?
    Sep 17 1
  • Airbnb / Eng ckck
    Go to zoox
    Sep 19 9
    • Zoox / Eng streetfood
      Negatives are WLB and some disorganization at times.
      Sep 22
    • Zoox / Eng streetfood
      Biggest positives (besides company potential) are team strength and creative freedom.
      Sep 22
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      Streetfood, thank you for your feedback. Would you mind giving us an insight about WLB at Zoox
      Sep 25
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      Streetfood how do you describe WLB at Zoox?
      Sep 27
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  • Verb Surgical / Product hoopdee
    Go for waymo...it has best shot...zoox management is not good...
    Sep 17 1
    • Juniper UsA51
      Care to elaborate? Recruiter contacted me what to know how is current situation?
      Sep 18
  • Uber gezibu
    Holly molly. Good job.
    Sep 17 0
  • Adobe / R&D
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    Neither. If you are into Cars go to Apple SPG
    Sep 17 1
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      I'd definitely consider Apple SPG but no one is calling me :) lol. I left Apple (non-SPG) a year ago for a cooler more complex project and a much higher pay :) Apple benefits are really good.
      Sep 17
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    @zoox @waymo
    Sep 25 0
  • Samsung / Product MtuC05
    Did you negotiate? Why would you take pay cut? Also remember both are paper money and Zoox might never see day light anytime soon.
    Sep 17 0
  • Facebook Hodinkee
    L5 is not staff at google
    Sep 17 2
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      you're right, Waymo is L6 (staff), I made a mistake when writing the post
      Sep 17
    • Facebook Hodinkee
      I do not see a good reason to make a switch
      Sep 17
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    How do I “tag”?
    Sep 25 1
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      Sep 25
  • Apple gghhr
    Not sure why you would take a 100k paycut. Also 300K RSU for L6 is really really low.
    Sep 22 1
    • Aptiv Younever
      Do you mean L6 at Google or L6 at Waymo? Could you also give some numbers?
      Oct 3
  • Facebook readysetno
    Uhmm you’re in hardware making almost 500k TC!(congrats) Would only switch if you’re really excited or passionate about the job opportunity/role
    Sep 17 1
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      I'm excited about long term prospects plus I like the long term value appreciation of autonomous driving business especially Waymo as it is the long time player. The role I'm in right now is ok and nothing is pushing me out. I have decent WLB and guaranteed cash coming in for next ~ 4 years. The role I have right now is a bit better than the offered role at Waymo, actually, but looking at overall, it seems Alphabet is a nicer place to be overall for life quality and people connections.
      Sep 18