Evaluating an offer from Google, T4

Apple QWOq63
Jun 22, 2018 32 Comments

Received offer from Google for t4: 135k,100k rsu,15k signing bonus. Is this a good offer for hardware? 4.5 yoe all at Apple. Does google negotiate?

Right now Apple TC is 119k/200k rsu unvetsed with about 10% year end bonus.

I’m up for a promotion at Apple but don’t know how much and was hoping for a bigger bump by looking around.

Thanks for any feedback!

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TOP 32 Comments
  • Apple riccio
    Is this product design or physical design (silicon)? This is absurdly low in either case. Are you ICT3 or ICT2 at Apple? Apple comp is also super low for 4.5 yrs. You need to learn to be a better negotiator before anything else...
    Jun 22, 2018 3
    • Apple QWOq63
      OP
      Product design, ict3 now at Apple. Well appreciate the blunt feedback!
      Jun 22, 2018
    • Apple riccio
      Also if you can get to ICT4, and are not super dissatisfied with your work at Apple, then going to Google for what they're offering doesn't make much sense. Apple is pretty generous with refreshers, and ICT4 is a higher level than T4. Although I'm surprised management took 2.5 yrs to make you ICT3, but are making you ICT4 in 2.
      Jun 23, 2018
    • Apple QWOq63
      OP
      I got stuck under some bad management initially that wasn’t interested in promoting which is why I’m behind, I was also naive and didn’t push for it myself much. Good to know that t4 ≠ ict 4
      Jun 23, 2018
  • Google QNrQ72
    100k rsu total or 100k rsu yearly?
    Jun 22, 2018 3
    • Apple QWOq63
      OP
      Total rsu, over 4 years I believe
      Jun 22, 2018
    • Google falcon9
      That's bad then.
      Jun 22, 2018
    • Google QNrQ72
      Yeah as L3 new grad I got like 170k RSU over 4 years
      Jun 22, 2018
  • Apple Leo Messi:
    Stay at Apple. That is a extremely low offer from rsu. Plus annual refresh is much better at Apple especially for the good performers.
    Jun 23, 2018 0
  • Apple Ivy league
    Is this HW engg or HW operations ? Kinda low for both to be honest
    Jun 22, 2018 5
    • Apple QWOq63
      OP
      HW eng, PD role
      Jun 22, 2018
    • Apple Ivy league
      Stay at Apple.. you'll get higher base and better refresh at IC4..push for promo this cycle
      Jun 22, 2018
    • Apple QWOq63
      OP
      Do you know Apple ic4 salary range for PD? It seems a lot of the info here is for swe
      Jun 22, 2018
    • Apple Ivy league
      There is an internal tread for PD's salary in Blind with lots of data...let me know if you can't find it
      Jun 22, 2018
    • Apple QWOq63
      OP
      Wasn’t able to find it, sent PM
      Jun 22, 2018
  • Amazon tuytyyy
    I got a better offer for T3, but that was due to my current comp at Amazon
    Jun 22, 2018 2
    • Google falcon9
      Is yours also for hardware?
      Jun 22, 2018
    • Apple QWOq63
      OP
      What was your offer? Did you try to negotiate?
      Jun 22, 2018
  • Apple SDNa61
    How is PD with 4.5 yoe only paying 119k?
    Jun 22, 2018 1
    • Apple QWOq63
      OP
      Was stuck at Ic2 for the first 2.5 years and got started at 1c3 pretty low I guess
      Jun 22, 2018
  • Google / Eng deprecate
    This offer is the starting level of t4 comp
    Jun 22, 2018 1
    • Apple QWOq63
      OP
      I was told t4 starts around ~120 by HR, is that not true?
      Jun 22, 2018
  • Apple SDNa61
    Would suggest promotion first and look again if still interested
    Jun 22, 2018 0
  • Apple / Eng
    Incisive

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    Incisivemore
    Did you tell them your current compensation? I am assuming you did and they low balled you based on that.
    Jun 22, 2018 2
    • Apple QWOq63
      OP
      I didn’t disclose, just said I was looking in the 145 range during onsite interview and they said that was too high for t4, haven’t responded back about the offer yet.
      Is this that big of a low-ball? They said I had really good feedback from HM.
      Jun 22, 2018
    • Apple / Eng
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      Its a 100K drop in RSU (25K each year) and from what I have heard Google refreshers are not as high as Apple. So, you seem to be losing a lot of money.
      Jun 22, 2018
  • Google iqftw
    Wtf is this swe? This is worse than new grad t3
    Jun 22, 2018 1
    • Apple QWOq63
      OP
      This is for hwe, PD role
      Jun 22, 2018
  • Intel PEOy02
    Maybe a dumb question. Is this for Bay Area?
    Jun 22, 2018 1
    • Apple QWOq63
      OP
      Yes for Bay Area
      Jun 22, 2018
  • Amazon XZC4321
    Which team at Google?
    Jun 22, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Eng WRyY10
    Low
    Jun 22, 2018 0