FB & G offer eval

New nbnD58
Feb 6, 2018 36 Comments

1.5 yr exp in 2nd tier tech company, BA in CS. Backend/infra related role.

Facebook:
E4 / Base 150k / Stock 270 4yr / 30 sign on

Google:
L3 / Base 135k / Stock 300 4yr / 50 sign on

Haven’t negotiated yet. Is level at Google negotiable? I did not do a system design interview so I doubt they can match level. It might be just not that important though.

I’m interested to know whether this is the best I can expect from either side.

Thanks a ton to any help!

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TOP 36 Comments
  • Google Linkedin
    There’s no way you could get L4 at G with 1.5 yoe.
    Feb 6, 2018 9
    • New nbnD58
      OP
      This 4-5 years is totally not true. My friends in G at L4 have respectively 2, 2.5 and 4 years of experience. My interview lunch buddy is L4 who has 3 years of industry experience
      Feb 6, 2018
    • Google Linkedin
      Did all your friends joined as L4? To promote internally it usually takes around 2 years. Bear in mind anything under 4 yoe is essentially engineering kindergarten.
      Feb 6, 2018
    • New nbnD58
      OP
      The 2.5 one yes. Joined as L4 literally 2 months and 2 weeks ago.i agree with that kindergarten thing tho
      Feb 6, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng Elpam
      LinkedIn Thanks for the answer and insight. OP congrats on the offer hope you enjoy your role/team
      Feb 6, 2018
    • New nbnD58
      OP
      Thanks Both of you. It’s very helpful infos
      Feb 6, 2018
  • Google razz
    I joined google at L5, but from what I can see, L3 -> L4 is very easy.

    Might take you a year at the very least, but if you negotiate for more comp and get the next level’s who cares?

    Here’s and angle: you might get promoted faster at FB. It looks like promotions come easier there.

    You could look at jumping ship later if your primary motivation is $$$.

    That said, google has great tech. And if that’s you’re interested in, this is the place to be. You’ll still have to “write your own future”, but damn, the product surface is so big, even if you’re bored of one thing, you can find another.

    FB seems to be more “product-y”. I’ll let others chime in, since I haven’t worked there. But my ex colleagues tell me they’re driven by “impact”, and that can work well for you, or you may not like it if what you want is build tech (but I’m sure you can find a team that does that too)
    Feb 6, 2018 3
    • New nbnD58
      OP
      Good calls thanks. I lean towards building tech and that’s what attracts me to Google. I’m matched with a Google Assistant. How do you think Google Assistant in the future? I have my own opinions but just also want to learn how ppl in G think about it.
      Feb 6, 2018
    • Google razz
      I don’t work in assistant, but they’ve got really cool tech.

      It’s powering even search results. Uses the Knowledge Graph.

      They’ve got leading edge NLP and the company is investing a lot in AI overall.

      Can’t be sure exactly since I don’t know what team you’re joining. But even that isn’t a problem because you can move around once you’ve stayed a year if you don’t like your team.

      Remember, whatever you choose, negotiate. It’s harder to increase your comp once you join.
      Feb 6, 2018
    • New nbnD58
      OP
      Thanks! You are by far my fav blinder!!
      Feb 6, 2018
  • Facebook bemid
    If you like infra, I recommend FB. Google has cool infra to play with, but you aren't going to write the next big thing unless your name is Jeff Dean. All the low and medium hanging fruit has been picked already.

    Facebook has similar ambitions, but a lot more opportunity to actually implement them.

    "Impact" doesn't have to mean launching products, so there's impact in doing good infra work too. Fixing a bug and saving a bunch of money or bandwidth is a classic way to make big impact that most users will never notice.

    Whatever you do, negotiate that sign-on bonus.
    Feb 7, 2018 2
    • New nbnD58
      OP
      Thanks a lot! Speaking of impact, do you think the ‘focus on impact’ culture can potentially make ppl focus too much on individual impact hence less team effort? This is something I’m worried about FB.
      Feb 7, 2018
    • Facebook bemid
      In my experience, that's not a problem. There isn't much impact in building something that doesn't get used. In infra, your users are your coworkers, so success means working together to make them happy.

      There are also parts of the performance reviews specifically about teamwork.

      The balance between focusing on individual vs team accomplishments is the same at FB and G, I think. What's different is "impact" vs "complexity".
      Feb 8, 2018
  • Credit Karma VeganBacon
    What’s the play here for OP on negotiation with these offers? Does op ask google to match Fb first or vice versa?
    Feb 7, 2018 3
    • New nbnD58
      OP
      I ended up asking them to match each other at the same time.
      Feb 7, 2018
    • Microsoft TechMAGA
      Don’t you think live blogging on blind is blowing your anonymous cover? Or that is the plan?
      Feb 7, 2018
    • New nbnD58
      OP
      Not really. I modified the numbers and my experience a bit and also created a new account to hide my current company so I doubt they are able to track me down. I doubt recruiter would waste time on blind to find out who I am. Also, there are hundreds of people at the same stage as I am.
      Feb 7, 2018
  • Microsoft TechMAGA
    Facebook is a one trick pony. Google is much more diverse. Opt for google even with a lower base. Their stock is likely more stable than Facebook. Also you have more signon and stock at G.
    Feb 6, 2018 3
    • Microsoft TechMAGA
      Having said that negotiations at G are important. You should be able get a higher base if you show Facebook offer
      Feb 6, 2018
    • New nbnD58
      OP
      Great insight, thanks. But FB does have good team flexibility than Google though. The bootcamp process is something I guess can be super important?
      Feb 6, 2018
    • Microsoft TechMAGA
      If you don’t get a better base and team at G, say that to recruiter. They will understand and give you more $ or flexibility to change team.
      Feb 6, 2018
  • Yes level at Google is negotiable. Ask for a higher salary and you will automatically get the next level if hiring manager feels you are worth it.
    Feb 6, 2018 3
    • Google Noogler69
      Not true. You can get the salary for the next level without actually getting hired at that level.
      Feb 6, 2018
    • I know someone who did that. Negotiations took 3 weeks though.
      Feb 6, 2018
    • Google WrWQ63
      HM can't bump level, only HC can.
      Feb 13, 2018
  • Amazon YFdu24
    How much leetcode did you do?
    Feb 7, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Eng Failure?
    How do you define 2nd tier?
    Feb 6, 2018 3
    • New nbnD58
      OP
      The thing we work on is not really relevant in tech world but the business is still strong. 😂😂😂
      Feb 6, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng Failure?
      Better or worse than Amazon
      Feb 6, 2018
    • New nbnD58
      OP
      I guess worse. Let me say way worse. Amazon is top tier because it’s still scaling like crazy and has a lot of interesting problems to solve
      Feb 6, 2018
  • Microsoft lollollol
    Is this mountain view or Seattle ?
    Feb 6, 2018 1

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