FB to Guidewire?

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Oct 10 48 Comments

Didn’t know a public company called “Guidewire” existed until I got an email from their recruiter a month ago for a Technical Lead or Engineering Manager role in Cloud Data platform team.

Though wanted to move out of core data group here, I wasn’t planning to leave FB. I happened to hear about Guidewire for the second time in my life when I met someone who left the company recently. He told me they pay big to attract good talent. I am E5 and My current TC is 340k. What is the TC for a first line eng manager? Anyone from @Guidewire ?

I did some homework and reached out to more folks at Guidewire through my network. Some good and not-so good info

Good
—-They pay big. Getting more hints and info on that
—- They are a public company with 7 billion market cap
—- Great WLB
—- Glassdoor top rating
—- Stock all time high
—- They did a good CEO hire by poaching a Salesforce top exec. Heard very nice things about him from Salesforce friends
—- They did another good hire with their head of Engineering for Cloud Data platform group. Heard he is prolific technologist and a great leader. I am tired of seeing immature managers around. So this is a big deal maker for me

Not so good
—- Brand name. No one heard about it apparently 😇
—- Some groups are doing mundane work
—- Heard it could be boring if not in right group.
—- Last and the least😊. No freebees. Will miss MPK multi cuisine free food. All FB spoiled brats would understand what I mean

Anyone knows Guidewire Engineering Manager TC ? I know many FB eng folks choose FAANGMULLA or exciting startups. Didn’t see anyone choosing such midsize public company. Is that a bad option?

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TOP 48 Comments
  • Guidewire ATFn46
    We did well last year and everyone got shitty raises/bonuses this year without explanation. Everyone decent is already practicing LC and looking for an exit. Growth won't last as we've saturated the top of the market. If you're FB material you can do better than us.
    Oct 11 7
    • Guidewire ATFn46
      Nice. Guess it varies by dept. I got a small fraction of the initial grant. A lot of my peers got 0 RSUs this focal.
      Oct 11
    • Guidewire jlingling
      Yikes. Idk 😐

      Maybe my initial grant sucked 🤣
      Oct 11
    • Guidewire hvEk08
      Same here. Quarter of inital grant. It's lower YOY.
      Oct 11
    • Guidewire jlingling
      Ouch.
      Oct 11
    • State Farm sweeeeee
      You’re welcome.
      Oct 12
  • Guidewire axxghop
    I have no idea about TC. All I know is we pay really good. Can’t compete with FAANG, LinkedIn, Uber, Lyft but can be next best. The quality of engineering talent is top class. Every other person left the company landed in Uber, LinkedIn and similar top ones. The Uber guy had an offer from Facebook too. The company got a brand problem. Many might not know that we had our own programming language which is used by the entire insurance industry. We were probably a boring company when we were an enterprise on premise product company. With cloud transition happening fast and real, things have changed. Our cloud platform and data platform teams are as good or better than many out there. Trust me you don’t need insurance industry knowledge to succeed here. Try solving our coding interviews and other rounds, you will appreciate
    our hiring bar.
    Oct 11 3
    • New / IT
      echosummet

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      As one of, if not the, first cloud deployment of Guidewire....I respectfully disagree 😉
      Oct 11
    • Guidewire jlingling
      Facebook’s been trying to recruit me out of gw.
      Oct 11
    • State Farm sweeeeee
      Don’t get the whole Gosu thing when it’s built on top of Java.
      Oct 12
  • Facebook holabond
    OP I have created a good and bad list for you

    Bad
    * Goddamn inept blunder of giving your exact TC, Level, Team details just to say managers are a@@$&? You could have rounded to 350k instead of giving exact figure 340. Good you didn’t say 338.42. Don’t you think it is now easy to find who you are? GTFO blind and delete account
    * You won’t report to their data platform engineering head. You will report one or two levels down. What if you get a manager as good as your current manager 🤬 will you take an insurance policy? AFAIK Guidewire does not insure you for that
    * Learn to deal with managers. Don’t be a cry baby

    Good
    * Guidewire is a hidden 💎 for pay and WLB
    * They can offer TC matching FAANG or even better. I have connections. DM if you are interested to learn more
    * They have two data teams. Data platform and Data Science. Data platform is a good group. Data science is a startup they acquired. No data about that group.
    * Data platform Head/VP engineering:: A common connection who worked with PR told he is a 10x architect and a great people leader. He was the right hand of Google cloud CEO TK. Either they had a fall out or TK ditched him. If not, he would have been at Google. I still don’t know why someone like him join Guidewire. Either pay is too good to reject or something else working well for Guidewire.
    * You can become a senior manager and come back to FAANG. Come back to manage your manager. You shouldn’t rest until you achieve that goal. Bon Voyage
    Oct 11 0
  • Guidewire ishaw37
    I am from data team. It is true we had no clue what we were building. Didn’t have a leader until recently. Company was busy investing time and energy to move to cloud. It was chaotic we lost some good people to LinkedIn and Uber. The new engineering leader made an unbelievable impact within first two months itself. Every single person I know at Exton office has total clarity about what we are building. I think that was the best to happen to data team. OP heard it right. He is a real leader who cares about people and a prolific technologist. He lost managers before he joined. That may be causing some challenges at HQ. Data team does have great clarity and right leadership to build one of the best data platforms and ML stuffs in the world.
    Oct 11 3
    • Guidewire 1125pm
      It's funny ... You're from data team and you're talking about Exton team having all the clarity ... Not you 🤣🤣🤣
      Oct 11
    • Guidewire k8slove
      Dude they are doing very well. Why so salty? I get that you hate Guidewire but why are you not leaving? Everyone one I know in that team is charged up and enjoying work again
      Oct 11
    • Guidewire jlingling
      We seem to have a couple duds. Probably can’t get hired elsewhere.
      Oct 12
  • Guidewire 1125pm
    It was a great company ... Not anymore. The company has stopped caring about it's employees. The data team has lost a lot of good people off late. I hear there is lack of clarity on what they are trying to build and where they are going with it.
    Oct 11 4
    • Guidewire jlingling
      There is a lot of change for sure and it will work for some people and not others. But at a high-level are doing all the right things, moving to micro services/cloud. We’re the incumbents and we can’t get lazy. Change is necessary.

      Too early to say for certain if it’s going to work for me. But I sure as hell wouldn’t discourage people from interviewing. Maybe this guy can fix what’s broken in data.

      Facebook tried to recruit me the last two years. I decided at Facebook I’ll be one of many, many, many, many whereas at guidewire I’m right smack in the thick of it and I prefer it that way. It’s a growing company with opportunities.
      Oct 11
    • Guidewire 1125pm
      Doesn't help jlingling if there is just one person person talking all positive. Create more accounts. Lol
      Oct 11
    • Guidewire jlingling
      I don’t think you’re funny.
      Oct 11
    • Guidewire hvEk08
      jlingling you are probably a unicorn in Guidewire. You seem to be very happy and optimistic.
      Oct 11
  • New / IT
    echosummet

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    For the love of all that's holy, or unholy, or that just exists... DON'T DO IT

    Guidewire is a pile of shit pigeonholed into a stagnant industry.
    Oct 11 3
    • Guidewire jlingling
      Stagnant industry? Lol. More like recession proof.
      Oct 11
    • New / IT
      echosummet

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      You may be right, but I've seen the source code, nuff said 😘
      Oct 11
    • State Farm sweeeeee
      The software is somewhat overly-complex, not going to lie. From an engineering viewpoint, GW’s products need to be a lot more optimization because using them is super performance intensive.
      Oct 12
  • Facebook Tgko24
    Not recommended, they had layoffs in their IT department recently. Very boring work in the insurance software industry as well. If you're leaving FB, you can do way better than this.
    Oct 10 1
    • Facebook fbeng99
      OP
      Thank you. Very very helpful
      Oct 10
  • LinkedIn / Eng waggytail
    had onsite there before. Foster City, right? They have some free sodas in the refrigerator
    Oct 10 7
    • Facebook fbeng99
      OP
      Correct. Adjacent for sure
      Oct 10
    • LinkedIn / Eng waggytail
      Cool. I wasn’t too impressed when I interviewed, but I also wasn’t really looking to switch so I guess I was pretty biased
      Oct 10
    • Facebook fbeng99
      OP
      Thank you! So far it is all negative. Need to think through. Other option is to check out what the TC would be. Hoping I can clear the process 🤓. Just for horror 😶
      Oct 10
    • Guidewire jlingling
      We moved from foster city to San Mateo a few months ago. We have a nice office next door to Survey Monkey and OpenText, right on a Caltrain stop.

      I can’t speak to engineering salaries, but GW pays well and it’s worth checking out. Great wlb . Check out our stock performance. It’s doubled in three years.

      The only reason no one has heard of gw is because it’s an insurance platform. The branding is not geared towards consumers. It’s b2b. Best company you never heard of.

      Of course faang snobs will give you a hard time. No place is perfect, but the GW culture is what attracts people. And the pay.
      Oct 11
    • State Farm sweeeeee
      I think we’re GW’s biggest customer. There’s a running joke that if you wanted to buy State Farm stock (can’t because were private), buy GW. Bullish.
      Oct 12
  • LinkedIn / Eng phatman
    I can't see them having a strong engineering culture.
    Oct 10 5
    • Facebook fbeng99
      OP
      Thank you. Any idea about the Data platform group?
      Oct 10
    • LinkedIn / Eng phatman
      You should come to LinkedIn instead. :)
      Oct 10
    • Facebook fbeng99
      OP
      Will DM you if that is okay 👌 😊
      Oct 10
    • Facebook fbeng99
      OP
      Curious about Managers. Is LinkedIn any better with the quality of managers? It is sad to see majority of the managers have no clue about leadership. Same immature, no or low EQ and no people skills gang?
      Oct 10
    • LinkedIn / Eng phatman
      Hit or miss
      Oct 10
  • Amazon oKgq13
    Former Guidewire engineering manager here. I think Guidewire is a good company willing to invest in employees’ career development. The collaboration is really high there compared to the companies I stayed before. I like the unique position so called L1 manager which is a hybrid of engineering manager and tech lead that allows you to drive something without losing technical expertise.

    In terms of compensation, based on the salary range I know, like other non-FAANG companies Guidewire has no way paying a typical engineer as high as it in FAANG, but I do believe they pay high for top talent as an exception because they need the talent for cloud transformation.

    The new office in San Mateo is really good. It’s a brand new building and I was told there would be subsided lunch. I have been to Facebook on-site interview before and I would say the new Guidewire office’s design/hardware is as good as Facebook office.

    The downside is the company is not well known compared to even some companies with smaller market cap. There are some smart people in the company but also some people not too motivated at work, or not equipped with the skills for new cloud products, so the experience could vary by team.
    Oct 14 0
  • Guidewire k8slove
    One of the best replies saw on Blind.. lol..😂. Witty,crisp and clear. “holabond” take a bow. Op, with the stock appreciation I made a lot more than 350k for the year. I am a senior engineer. I know TC is calculated differently and with this year refresh I am not bad either. Can’t give out exact TC like you did. My boss would easily know who I am. We are just a 500-600 engineers company. Our market cap is 8billion though. Cloud Data Platform team is one of our best teams. You will learn a lot. Their leader is highly respected within and outside his team.
    Oct 12 0
  • Veritas / Other 13Jija
    My partner interviewed for Director level position in their IT department. Conversation was not great and eventually withdrew candidacy/application. You will be joining engineering department which is very different from internal IT department. Good luck!
    Oct 10 2
    • Cisco
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      Cisco

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      Prysm
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      SWE transitioning to SRE
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      Partner?
      Oct 10
    • Facebook fbeng99
      OP
      Thank you. Any idea about Engineering groups? Data platform specifically. Any guess on TC 😊?
      Oct 10
  • Guidewire jlingling
    OP go check out the analyst day webcast from 9/26

    Hear why the CEO joined. Hear from the head of engineering. Hear about growth opportunity

    http://ir.guidewire.com/events/event-details/guidewire-software-analyst-and-investor-meeting
    Oct 11 0

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