FB won’t match my current Amazon TC

Amazon Catperson
May 15, 2018 39 Comments

Currently making around $270-280K TC at AMZN as an L5 AS. Recently got an E4 offer from FB that comes to around $210k TC in the best case. Recruiter said they won’t be able to beat my current comp. Was genuinely surprised as I thought FB pays better than AMZN. Thoughts?

Edit: What I mean by TC is base + RSU/4 + max bonus.

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  • Facebook Órale
    Get competing offers
    May 15, 2018 5
    • Amazon Catperson
      OP
      Yea, but I thought a current job that pays more is enough for them to pay up.
      May 15, 2018
    • Facebook Órale
      Nope, never been the case. When you’re interviewing they assume you’re not happy at the current place, so it doesn’t count as a counteroffer
      May 15, 2018
    • Google tcCd20
      Decline the offer politely and mention that if fb can meet current comp+10% you'd be willing to sign. Mention that you have financial commitments and taking a pay cut would be financially irresponsible.
      May 15, 2018
    • Google UBdG56
      This doesn’t make sense, if they reached out to you why would they assume you’re not happy at your current job? Also, when you give them competing offers you’re saying your market value is higher, if you’re current company pays you more that means the same thing.
      May 16, 2018
    • Facebook Órale
      You might be worth more to your current company than to other companies, it’s often the case with senior employees with very specific knowledge.
      May 16, 2018
  • Pinterest
    seehes

    Pinterest

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    Google, Facebook
    seehesmore
    "Thank you for the offer, but I don't think I can make these numbers work"
    May 15, 2018 1
    • Google / Eng
      lena33

      Google Eng

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      lena33more
      +1 They are playing negotiation game, stay firm.
      May 15, 2018
  • Northrop Grumman / Eng Kolmogorov
    It's probably because FB is more of a dog friendly office 🐕
    May 15, 2018 0
  • Amazon RBMY63
    270k target or total due to stock growth?
    May 15, 2018 3
    • Amazon Catperson
      OP
      Target
      May 15, 2018
    • Amazon RBMY63
      It’s surprising that they won’t match, then, and wow... nice work on that comp.
      May 15, 2018
    • Amazon Catperson
      OP
      I just had this impression going in that AMZN underpays people and FB just showers people with cash, but I guess it’s not necessarily true!
      May 15, 2018
  • Tesla LEETCODER
    210 is a low ball offer. Get counter offer
    May 15, 2018 0
  • Amazon JIdt44
    That really depends on what do you mean by making 270k at Amazon. If you’re about to end 4th year you’re getting almost 40% stock, where FB vest 25% each year that’s why 210k is every year at FB, while 270k could probably be the peak at AMZN. There is a limit of E4 comp range
    May 15, 2018 2
    • Amazon Catperson
      OP
      That’s kinda true - I’m projected to make less after my initial grants are all vested, unless I get promoted.
      May 15, 2018
    • Amazon JIdt44
      But they can always comp you through sign on, and after 1-2 yrs you will get promoted — do you still concern for it?
      May 15, 2018
  • Amazon Gjejdnfifk
    Wow, what’s your years of exp? Maybe fb is taking that as a factor as well?
    May 15, 2018 2
    • Amazon Catperson
      OP
      About 7 years in total
      May 15, 2018
    • Amazon Gjejdnfifk
      Wow lowball indeed :(
      May 15, 2018
  • Why is a guy with 7 years of experience going in as an E4? Shouldn’t he be at least an e5?
    May 15, 2018 0
  • Google UBdG56
    Wtf how is it only 210k TC. Some new grads, and many E3s do better than that. Don’t move, it’s not worth it.

    Most of the time it does seem that fb showers with cash, but in your case looks like amzn is taking good care of you.
    May 15, 2018 0
  • Facebook / Eng datarace
    Your interview performance was not good, and it seems that you don't have a counter offer. It's all supply and demand. You are probably in Seattle? Many people in Seattle wants to join FB. So FB lowballs you first. Get a strong counter offer like Google. And keep in mind. FB is very generous in refreshers. It's not a crap TC system like Amazon. Your total comp at FB will increase at least four years as refreshers are stacked. So, get a counter offer. Or you can at least ask a big sign-on bonus and get a RSU raise by saying "I'll accept the offer right away after get a raise." Good luck!
    May 16, 2018 1
    • Bose kJYK64
      Is Facebook worth it with such a low ball offer ? I would say it's not like OP is in a bad company ...heck I would reject Facebook
      May 16, 2018
  • Yahoo LiamNam
    Yeah max at E4 is generally 250K (not counting sign on that adds 100K) unless specialized. They won’t match your current comp no matter what. Google goes beyond bands though.
    May 15, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Eng Halla
    Were you interviewing for swe ml?
    May 15, 2018 0
  • Facebook real_zuck
    It sounds like you didn't do well enough on interviews to come in at E5 which is your experience level. If you were misleveled though you will quickly progress to E5 and make a lot more money.
    May 15, 2018 0
  • Bose kJYK64
    Shouldn't you be an E5 ? Depends I would take FB if you feel it's worth it
    May 15, 2018 0
  • Google twii
    How can L5 at Amazon getting paid 280k. Thats bullshit. Thats like E4 at FB
    May 15, 2018 2
    • Amazon Gjejdnfifk
      Some of us lucked out
      May 15, 2018
    • Amazon Catperson
      OP
      AMZN stocks quadrupled since joining. Also, AS generally get paid more than SDEs, at least at L4 and L5
      May 15, 2018
  • Amazon hde876ff
    What's the position at Fb? Is it data scientist? Applied Scientist or research scientist? This makes a huge difference in the salary.... DS gets paid less at Fb... So does at Amazon... I wonder you are comparing Amazon AS vs FB DS
    May 15, 2018 2
    • Amazon / Eng Halla
      I doubt there is an AS role at fb
      May 15, 2018
    • Amazon hde876ff
      They do have research scientist role.... Op might have got DS and not RS
      May 15, 2018
  • Apple / Eng HJRa15
    What did you end up doing? I am in kind of same boat
    Sep 27, 2018 0
  • Facebook Poooper
    What does “max bonus” mean?
    May 29, 2018 0
  • Microsoft Incredibl
    What’s your job title?
    May 15, 2018 0
  • Microsoft Sct909
    Seattle ?
    May 15, 2018 0
  • Facebook yellowsky
    Break out your E4 offer
    May 15, 2018 0

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