FB/MSFT/Snap Senior-level offers

Amazon / Eng kwq7812
Aug 20, 2018 21 Comments

Current: L6/SDE3 w/280k TC @ Amazon. 5ish YoE total, but I’ve been effectively running a team for a couple years and have a pretty broad scope of work. Thinking of moving on because I’m bored and have a pretty low opinion of Amazon in general...but frankly, I could also ride it out here a good while longer. Relaxed (by any standard) WLB.

Company: Base/Stock/Bonus
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FB: 170/500/15% = ~320.5k with bonus
Snap: 190/750/? = ~377.5k
Microsoft: 160/200/15% = ~234k with bonus

Notes:
Snap has a particularly attractive vesting schedule (monthly with no cliff). I have domain experience attractive to FB/Snap and a choice of offices (incl. Seattle) for both. Microsoft interviewed me as a generalist.

I have a pending mix--as yet unscheduled--of screens and on-sites with Google, Dropbox, Uber, Lyft, Airbnb, and a few others. Trying to group them as tightly as possible.

Can somebody give me some honest insight into the working culture at the Seattle offices for FB and Snap? I don’t imagine any of the companies further down the queue are actually going to beat these, and I’m kicking myself for not taking them later for leverage.

EDIT with update: I declined Microsoft without trying to negotiate; it would've been a serious downgrade from what I already have (team/comp/work/etc). FB threw in a token amount of additional equity and a $10k salary boost but that was it; I guess Snap offers don't have the sort of leverage to them as Google's apparently do. I'm not overly fond of FB for various reasons (that's why they were early in the queue), while Snap has been incredibly accommodating (they probably have to be, but still), so I'm currently inclined to take a gamble on Snap, or keep interviewing.

FINAL UPDATE: declined all three and punted the rest of the interviews (of which there are many) until later in the year. Just wasn't feeling them; I know that with great money comes great responsibility and right now working isn't really a priority.

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TOP 21 Comments
  • Apple / Eng JobsHand
    For 5 years of experience, these are all great offers!
    Aug 20, 2018 2
    • Facebook Googlе
      This👆
      5 yoe is no way senior by FAANG standards, unless you worked in the same company the whole time, so congrats and good luck
      Aug 20, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng kwq7812
      OP
      True, though one thing I forgot to mention is that I have a few years of additional prior experience in a different industry, so I have unusually strong soft skills and business acumen for an SDE who's been in the industry this long. Have gotten pretty good at figuring out which projects will move the money and throwing my weight behind them.

      On the technical side, I caught a lucky break with both my startup (amazing senior mentors) and at at Amazon with the team and project I ended up with...we lost our lead developer 6 months in (and at the start of a fairly substantial project), and my then-manager leaned heavily on me, so I grew pretty damn fast.

      Finally, yeah, I've been at Amazon for the clear majority of it.
      Aug 21, 2018
  • Microsoft / Eng
    Yololo

    Microsoft Eng

    BIO
    Hate coding quizzes but studying hard for better future!
    Yololomore
    Please share ur numbers to Microsoft recruiters. Microsoft needs to realize about market rate.
    Aug 20, 2018 0
  • Snapchat iamtrump
    Isn’t Snap dying?!
    Aug 20, 2018 1
    • Amazon / Eng kwq7812
      OP
      You tell me!
      Aug 21, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng acef
    I would join Snap and move out after an year for another pay bump.
    Aug 20, 2018 0
  • Google abcdefy
    how do you know it is monthly with no cliff? what’s the refresh policy?
    Aug 25, 2018 1
    • Amazon / Eng kwq7812
      OP
      That's what I was told on the offer call; it was pretty explicit. Recruiter also told me there would be a 15% bonus target in the offer letter but that I shouldn't expect to get that, given what happened this year. I genuinely appreciate that sort of honesty, and it makes their claims about the vesting schedule more plausible.

      Refresh policy is similar to FB/G (i.e. NOT like Amazon). I don't remember the exact specifics (I wrote it down, but I can't seem to find my notes right now), but it's based on some percentage of either your base or your on-hire grant, given out yearly with the same vesting schedule as the original grant. Provided you meet perf. expectations, the company still exists, the CEO doesn't randomly change his mind, and you don't get laid off, that is.
      Aug 26, 2018
  • Facebook WHPv11
    Snap used to have a back weighted schedule. Has that changed recently?
    Aug 20, 2018 1
    • Microsoft Lmbg16
      Yes
      Aug 20, 2018
  • Amazon cqMI83
    Snap has the layoff risk. Bigger company at least can switch teams
    Aug 26, 2018 1
    • Snapchat Dicawho
      We lay off way fewer engineers than amazon
      Aug 28, 2018
  • Amazon x=f(f(x))
    Have you been with Amazon your whole 5 years?
    Aug 20, 2018 1
    • Amazon / Eng kwq7812
      OP
      Almost. 4.5 years with Amazon. 1 year before that with a startup.
      Aug 21, 2018
  • Proofpoint / Eng
    Q🐔🐥

    Proofpoint Eng

    PRE
    Symantec
    Q🐔🐥more
    R u backend or front end developer
    Aug 20, 2018 1
    • Amazon / Eng kwq7812
      OP
      Full stack, for lack of a better term. I do both.
      Aug 21, 2018
  • Microsoft Lmbg16
    Are your offers after negotiations?
    Aug 20, 2018 1
    • Amazon / Eng kwq7812
      OP
      Nope; these were initial, although I did tell Microsoft my level and comp up front (figuring they'd be low anyhow).
      Aug 21, 2018
  • Adobe Skynet1
    What is your domain experience?
    Aug 20, 2018 0
  • Apple / Other abcxyz007
    I don’t think snap has a future, FB or keep interviewing
    Aug 20, 2018 0

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