Facebook E3 offer vs Microsoft and Oracle cloud

Amazon WkNx78
Nov 9, 2018 42 Comments

I have offer from Facebook, Microsoft and Oracle cloud.

Facebook - Menlo park
Position E3
115k Base+150k stocks +60k bonus

Microsoft -seattle
Position L61
130k base+160k stocks +50k bonus

Oracle cloud : Seattle
Position : Senior MTS
155k base+350k stocks +35k bonus

I have 5 yoe after bachelors and I am pursuing MS in CS. Will be graduating in a month.

Is Facebook worth considering at all considering the brand ?

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TOP 42 Comments
  • Netflix Lovers
    Oracle. That’s 90k over the FB offer.
    Nov 9, 2018 0
  • Microsoft gfba68
    LOL no. Take the higher TC with lower taxes. FB is worth nothing. Not sure what Oracle's annual stock awards are but I doubt they're lower than MSFT
    Nov 9, 2018 7
    • Microsoft 🐐 go
      Orcl
      Nov 10, 2018
    • Microsoft gfba68
      MSFT refreshers aren't significant until principal level
      Nov 10, 2018
    • Workday / Eng
      blindster

      Workday Eng

      PRE
      Yahoo
      blindstermore
      I appreciate the info. Thanks!
      Nov 10, 2018
    • Oracle fjsn
      Oracle gives annual stock refreshers in OCI, and they were way way higher than the ones I got at Microsoft
      Nov 12, 2018
    • Microsoft gfba68
      How much? Give us a ballpark for a senior
      Nov 12, 2018
  • Dropbox pol
    Fb E3 is very insulting for your YOE....
    Nov 9, 2018 2
    • Microsoft / Eng
      alex9537

      Microsoft Eng

      PRE
      Trend Micro
      alex9537more
      E3 is for new grad, low ball like hell for 5 yoe.
      Nov 9, 2018
    • New YdAe04
      For 5 year Indian experience an E3 seems appropriate.
      Oct 2
  • eBay / Eng
    tcyoegtfo

    eBay Eng

    PRE
    eBay
    tcyoegtfomore
    Focus on learning curve right now. TC WILL FOLLOW. Choose FB
    Nov 9, 2018 3
    • Amazon M->A
      What to learn in FB?
      Nov 9, 2018
    • Amazon WkNx78
      OP
      But considering I already have 5 yrs of work ex, I feel I ll be able to learn more as senior engineer.
      Nov 9, 2018
    • Amazon M->A
      ^ E3 is nobody.
      Nov 9, 2018
  • Pinterest / Eng Breadmakin
    Oracle all the way I’d say. You could always transfer in a couple years but Oracle seems like incredible comp
    Nov 9, 2018 0
  • LinkedIn / Eng
    dashazhu

    LinkedIn Eng

    BIO
    Full time coder and part time gold dealer.
    dashazhumore
    TC above all. Take Oracle.
    Nov 9, 2018 0
  • LinkedIn 🍪cookie
    Absolutely not. I would go Microsoft or Oracle. Also since Oracle TC is way higher than MS, I would consider it. Otherwise OCI is bullshit. Also consider 401k match and bonus as part of your TC at Microsoft when comparing against Oracle
    Nov 9, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Product @zzz
    So you might able to negotiate 62 at msft with higher base (150 range) with competing offers.

    Of the three, fb offer is really low considering cost of living in bay. Between oracle and msft, I think msft is on a much better track, and overall a much better company to work for with benefits, wlb etc.

    So even if some differences I would recommend Microsoft.
    Nov 9, 2018 3
    • Amazon WkNx78
      OP
      I tried for 62 but no luck :(
      Nov 9, 2018
    • Microsoft / Product @zzz
      Btw add 9k tax free 401k match, better health benefits, and end of year stock of about 10k (could be more) and overall better brand, and MS offer looks a lot better.

      If not the level, tell them about oci offer and try push the numbers a bit. Always prioritize base, because that stays year after year, and bonus and refresher are always percentage of base.

      Which group in msft btw?
      Nov 9, 2018
    • Microsoft / Product
      Brazuka

      Microsoft Product

      PRE
      Bain & Company
      Brazukamore
      5 yoe is very hard to get a 62 offer.
      Nov 9, 2018
  • Microsoft DOyu71
    The Facebook offer is just a joke. Its insulting.

    The problem with oci (apart from the fact that its Oracle and they are trying to buy their way into the cloud wars without necessarily knowing what they are doing) is there is no refresh stock there (not sure about bonus). Its not clear they are really going to stay in the cloud business as they arent even close to the top 3 providers. That could be a problem and it will not look as good on your resume as ms, if you want to go to google, amazon etc.

    Microsoft offer is decent. Have you told them about the oci offer? I would if you havent. Might bump you up some. Ms also has target 10% bonus and like 7kish stock refresh target not to mention SSA potential (which may or may not continue). Throw in the better insurance (particularly if you have a family) and better 401k match and the offer is pretty good.
    Nov 9, 2018 2
    • Oracle fjsn
      Just wanted to mention OCI does have refreshers, not sure why everyone (who doesn't work there) is saying otherwise
      Nov 12, 2018
    • Oracle BjGO24
      Yes oracle has refreshers. Advantage of OCI is more greenfield work. If you are looking to be told what to do, MSFT is probably a better choice. OCI is looking for senior engineers.
      Nov 12, 2018
  • New gtik58
    It seems like Oracle counted your experience in India as valid but FB gave you a new grad offer. Negotiate with FB or go for Oracle, 40k difference in base is itself enough to go for it.
    Nov 9, 2018 2
    • Amazon WkNx78
      OP
      Yeah. FB gave me new grad. I tried negotiating but it seems they stick to what was offered.
      Nov 9, 2018
    • New gtik58
      Oh I heard fb matches competing offers.

      Anyway congrats on the offers. It's a good problem to have.
      Nov 9, 2018
  • Microsoft qwes4fvu
    Wait if that's 5 years in India, you are lucky to get these offers
    Nov 9, 2018 7
    • Amazon WkNx78
      OP
      Ok.
      Nov 9, 2018
    • Microsoft Sexybeast
      Can you elaborate on the hit or miss part about Indian work experience? 🤔
      Nov 9, 2018
    • Microsoft qwes4fvu
      Indian consultancy companies are a no go...
      In companies like Microsoft/google/fb, many teams are average ( some of them are good )
      Nov 10, 2018
    • Microsoft Sexybeast
      Why within Microsoft do you think that US teams are superior and Indian teams are average? 👀
      Nov 10, 2018
    • Microsoft qwes4fvu
      Nothing superior or inferior.. but budget is always high for the hq and good work happens where budget lies
      Nov 10, 2018
  • TriNet AYwy24
    I have heard Oracle refreshers are lean
    Nov 9, 2018 1
    • Oracle fjsn
      They are lean or fat, depending on how you did. Top performers are awarded way better than at MS
      Nov 12, 2018
  • Microsoft / Product
    Brazuka

    Microsoft Product

    PRE
    Bain & Company
    Brazukamore
    Either Oracle or Microsoft. If this was fb Seattle I would consider it but in the bay area that salary is lame.
    Nov 9, 2018 0
  • TriNet AYwy24
    No
    Nov 9, 2018 0
  • Microsoft 🐐 go
    Microsoft
    Nov 9, 2018 0