Facebook E4 vs Oracle Cloud IC4

Microsoft Batman007
Mar 14 40 Comments

Which one seems better? I am worried about 2 factors: WLB and getting pip.

Fb: e4 250k/year (base and stocks) not including signing bonus

OCI: ic4 300k/year same as above

Sign on are almost same at both place.
I really like the team that I talked to at Oracle. Manager is very easy going.

Little worried about PIP culture at FB as I am on Visa.

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TOP 40 Comments
  • Facebook SWmF26
    Pip culture is overblown at fb. But wlb might be better at oracle? I’m averaging 40 hrs

    I’d be more worried about layoffs at oracle
    Mar 146
    • Microsoft Batman007
      OP
      Any data? How many gets piped?
      Mar 14
    • Facebook SWmF26
      Getting a below average rating does not result in pip if that helps unless you get multiple in a year or if you are completely unproductive
      Mar 14
    • Microsoft Batman007
      OP
      How many reviews happens in a year? If I choose FB I am taking offer with $50k less. How big is FBs yearly bonus and stocks?
      Mar 14
    • Facebook SWmF26
      Twice a year like google. Bonus is usually 10% or more depending on performance. Refresher is about 70k

      If you like oracle more, then just go as enjoyment is key. As others indicated the free perks, food, benefits and connections from fb outweighs that of oracle
      Mar 14
    • Oracle / Engggues
      Lol. With OCI you salary is stunted
      Negotiate hard for more TC now else you are stuck withthat TC

      FB has more potential for TC and careergrowth
      Mar 14
    • Microsoft vffrds6;?&
      At FB bonus is twice a year. And 10% of annual base salary every time?
      Mar 14
  • Oracle hej64wn
    For those who mentioned salary growth is stunted in oci, just as a data point over the 2 years I joined Oracle my tc increased 40%. (And <10% of that is due to stock price increase) just my 2cents
    Mar 147
    • Oracle / Engggues
      Why don't you create a pool? Am sure you are a outlier
      Mar 14
    • Oracle Sparty
      Base salary isn’t “stunted” but massive growth there is tougher. RSUs have been flowing freely the last few years though (remains to be seen what happens this year).
      Mar 14
    • Oracle / Engggues
      How much refresher did you get last year?

      I got 4 rating - no hike and RSUs not so much
      Mar 14
    • Microsoft WhatNext?
      Do you get cash bonuses?
      Mar 14
    • Oracle / Engggues
      Nope
      Mar 14
    • Oracle hej64wn
      I also got cash bonus but it's very trivial. Refresh... don't remember exact number, but 70-100k (over 4 years) every year
      Mar 15
    • Oracle / Engggues
      Are you in OCI? Never heard of cash bonus in OCI
      Mar 15
  • Oracle / Engggues
    FB
    Mar 142
    • Microsoft Batman007
      OP
      Can you say more?
      Mar 14
    • Oracle / Engggues
      Lot many. Your salary will be stunted

      No bonus. No hike. No refreshers
      Annual vesting
      You have to payback bonus if you leave before one and half years

      No fast growth. Lot of reorgs and if you are in infra team oncall load is too much with no proper tools and getting worse with more regions

      Immigration team sucks. If you just got verbal offer you will have join only after 4 months (snail pace). And same with green card processing

      And obv FB brand name >> OCI
      Mar 14
  • New / Engoraclehq
    You should get E5 ... cuz you get ic4 in Oracle LoL
    Mar 141
    • Microsoft Batman007
      OP
      I was also feeling that. I told recruiter that I am currently 62 and will be 63 in next few months. So for 63 mapping looks like IC4 at oracle and E5 at Facebook. I am debating in my mind if I want better company name or better position
      Mar 14
  • Bloomberg ySfK74
    Go for the better compensation.
    Mar 140
  • VMware ItsAlrite
    Didn't fb match oracle' offer?
    Mar 163
    • Microsoft Batman007
      OP
      In my case they are not matching
      Mar 16
    • VMware ItsAlrite
      I see. Did you get a formal offer letter from oracle? Did you have to share it with FB
      Mar 30
    • Microsoft Batman007
      OP
      I just had verbal offers for both
      Mar 30
  • Oracle Aazv21
    Freebies at FB will compensate for the pay difference. Choose the team with more interesting work , tech stack etc
    Mar 143
    • Microsoft Batman007
      OP
      I am married and have family, so I don’t care much about things like free food and laundry
      Mar 14
    • Oracle Aazv21
      Oracle benefits are not comparable to fb . I had similar options and selected oci for work , which is gr8 btw but benefits and perks are noticeably missing .
      Mar 14
    • Microsoft Batman007
      OP
      Can you give me an example of what you miss the most?
      Mar 14
  • Oscar 🐨koala
    Ask for more base? 260?
    Mar 142
  • Alibaba
    mianygfs

    Alibaba

    BIO
    Why should anyone put a bio on blind? Who is your product guy?
    mianygfsmore
    What is Ic4 title?
    Mar 142
    • Microsoft Batman007
      OP
      Principal member of technical staff
      Mar 14
    • Microsoft vffrds6;?&
      What's the offer break down?
      Mar 14
  • New OwjS77
    Yoe?
    Mar 141
  • Amadeus Trick2g
    What’s your current tc and yoe?
    Mar 141
    • Microsoft Batman007
      OP
      SDE 2 with $170k TC and 8 YOE
      Mar 14
  • Lyft fukthis
    Oci can do much better for ic4
    Mar 140

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