Tech IndustryAug 28, 2018
VMwaresam ringh

Facebook E5 = google L4?

Have pending offers from both at E5 and L4 respectively. The Google recruiter is claiming they're the same, but according to levels.fyi Facebook E5 = google L5 so want to understand from the folks here which is more accurate? TC 310k 13 yoe

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Facebook etu Aug 28, 2018

Lol

Google bubblegums Aug 28, 2018

Down leveling at Google is intense. Even saw senior candidate from Microsoft get slotted for l3 interview.

Amazon sde3 Aug 28, 2018

Msft made both sdet and sde into se a few years ago, and there are bunch of sr sdes who dont even meet intern bar for sde.

Microsoft DOyu71 Aug 28, 2018

Have no idea if that's true or not but everyone I know has been sr sde at ms to either l4 or l5, mostly 64 -> l5.

Google xgFH17 Aug 28, 2018

lmao they are not the same

Facebook costa24 Aug 28, 2018

E5 here and have Amazon L7 offer.

Facebook IhJY54 Aug 28, 2018

Lol

Facebook costa24 Aug 28, 2018

Recruiter claims are lol .. ask recruiter if L4 can match E5 ;)

Google Noogler69 Aug 28, 2018

Google might actually match on comp

Facebook costa24 Aug 28, 2018

L4 base maxes at $165k, so Google will have to throw in RSUs to match TC which means future base increase will be super low without promo.

Google Noogler69 Aug 28, 2018

I think most Googlers familiar with both promo systems would say L4 at Google is something like E4.5 at Facebook (it’s definitely somewhere between E4 and E5).

Google liam Aug 28, 2018

+1

Facebook Dreamchase Aug 28, 2018

I’ve found Google gives higher weight to years of experience than FB. If you have had fast growth and big scope compared to YoE, this can act against you. Most of Xooglers around me did lateral transfers from G to FB with same level.

VMware Whatdduck Aug 28, 2018

Level is decided based on interview. Both will match each other’s Offer. How does it matter what recruiter tells you ? HC decided the level.

VMware sam ringh OP Aug 28, 2018

Leveling determines scope and responsibilities. I want to understand if they're equivalent or not because that matters to me while making my decision. Not too worried about comp.

VMware Whatdduck Aug 28, 2018

What’s your level at VMware ?

LinkedIn PoXj39 Aug 28, 2018

L4 is just 1 level above l3 which is what fresh undergrads with 0 years experience get. Google folks correct me if I am wrong. I feel it’s ridiculous to give L4 for someone with 13 years of experience. I would take fb e5. For you to get to l6 it can easily take 5 to 6 years at google

Google vy66L3 Aug 28, 2018

There's plenty of people with 13 yrs exp who are definitely at the skills of L4, but if FB is willing to do E5 I'd take that.

Google Yfyrxtexe Aug 29, 2018

T5/E5 are equivalent from the job description. Googles bar is a bit higher and they don’t like to give out T5 offers lower experience levels (ex <10 years). Since T4 competing with E5 offers is so common they are able to match comp, but it will be a more stock heavy package with salary capping around 155-165.

Facebook cocke Aug 29, 2018

Plus FB fires aggressively compared to G