Product Management

Facebook: PM culture

Target po*-4🤯
Jun 28

Hi! Might be interviewing for a FB PM role soon. If anyone can help me out with these thoughts:

* Leveling -- how much do incoming levels matter, and what level should one angle for with any particular experience/skills?
* Culture -- are PMs smart?
* Working remotely -- how receptive do FB teams tend to be re: working from home sometimes, etc.?
* Working hours -- do folks "work from the bus"? Or are all hours in-office?

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  • Facebook / Product
    oooooops

    FacebookProduct

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    Google
    oooooopsmore
    Levels matter for compensation, outside of that they actually secret.

    The bar for PM is pretty high at FB. Most PMs are "smart". Whether they are effective in their roles depends on team fit and personality.

    Is acceptable to work from home on Wednesdays (most teams), outside of that it'd be difficult to be a good PM not being around

    The PM role is meeting heavy, but generally speaking, you set your own hours (it's not a 40 hour job)
    Jun 2817
    • Facebook / Eng
      mrballz

      FacebookEng

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      mrballzmore
      I did not write they have ho deliverables, can you even read? They have very few compared to the 150+ diffs per half that is normal on my team.

      I think burnout is partly because of the high volume of relatively small work engineers need to produce or fall behind.
      Jun 28
    • Uber Moo moo
      People always seem to think someone else has it better. I'd be interested in knowing what actual FB PMs think.
      Jun 28
    • Seems like they are actually working instead of sitting on blind.
      Jun 28
    • mrballz do you know how PMs are judged as successful? Do you understand the role they play away from your dev team? You may have 150 things to do, but so does a PM — those “things” are just different in nature.

      I strongly recommend keeping these thoughts to yourself (or on Blind). You will get blasted IRL.
      Jun 28
    • Facebook / Eng
      mrballz

      FacebookEng

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      mrballzmore
      Enlighten me them. How many deliverables a PM is responsible for per week on average? I am taking about binary done/not done things, not 'synced up with team x'.

      BTW this doesn't mean they work (much) less, but it is less of a grind IMO.
      Jun 28
    • “Per week...” Not how it works. You must have a really shitty PM or an odd team set up.

      PM deliverables: roadmap creation, continued execution against said roadmap, gathering client feedback, ROI analysis, market research studies, business cases for new projects, client-facing materials, overall “A” on RACI matrix for entire product line, etc etc etc.

      Most of these deliverables take months of careful analysis and preparation, and they must be executed very well otherwise your 150 tasks, and the tasks of those around you, are for nothing.
      Jun 28
    • Facebook / Eng
      mrballz

      FacebookEng

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      Microsoft
      mrballzmore
      My initial statement was that devs have a lot of deliverables, like, a dozen or more per week, while PMs don't. Seems like I was right then?
      Jun 28
    • You generalized, with no timeline. It’s important not to short your peers because they are held to different goals, with varying deliverables.
      Jun 29
    • Let’s distinguish between devs, who have weekly or daily deliverables and PMs and other managerial positions who rather set the deliverables. First one, is more of a factory line worker and indeed, is likely to lead to burnout faster.
      Jun 29
    • Facebook / Eng
      mrballz

      FacebookEng

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      mrballzmore
      I like the analogy where devs are surgeons and PMs practice managers better, but whatever. You got my point.
      Jun 29
  • Microsoft Sct909
    Any numbers for PM comp? I care particularly about L4 and L5 numbers
    Jun 283
  • Target po*-4🤯
    OP
    Oh. And what about actually having something real to focus on? As opposed to being the PM for what color the buy button is?
    Jun 282
    • Facebook / EngKya
      In Facebook PM don’t do designers job at least in external facing teams.
      Jun 28
    • Facebook / Eng
      mrballz

      FacebookEng

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      mrballzmore
      PMs have a pretty large scope at FB and they mainly drive the business side, sometimes jump on to drive execution. Usually they have half a dozen or more projects.
      Jun 28
  • Facebook / EngKya
    If you plan to work from home a lot, it’s hard to be successful as PM. You have to be present at least 1st half to get hold on things. Facebook is not super chill for anyone.
    Jun 282
    • Target po*-4🤯
      OP
      1st half? Of what?
      Jun 28
    • Facebook / EngKya
      1 st half with team. After that u can start doing work from home Wednesdays and stuff.
      Jul 5
  • Target po*-4🤯
    OP
    This is all super helpful so far :)
    Jun 280
  • Facebook / MktgH901A
    Agree with oooooops. Flexibility is team dependent. Form good and deep partnerships in order to manage meetings. Levels matter for comp, but no one knows what your level is - I personally don’t think that’s a great practice. PMs are “smart”, rest is team effectiveness. And a greater challenge now, there are lots of cross-functional dependencies on other PMs and teams to coordinate priorities.
    Jun 280
  • LinkedIn klay
    PM quality at Facebook really varies since they have really seasoned PMs who are very good and many inexperienced ones who don't know what they are doing. Burnout is common but that often depends on what product you're on and the culture of that group.
    Jun 280
  • Of course^
    Jun 280

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