Facebook down-level

Apple uerhetbs
Jan 18 52 Comments

Hello, I received an offer from Facebook, but it is an IC4 level. I’m currently an IC4 at Apple, which would be a down level and a pretty big pay cut for me if I were to join. Would it still be worth it to accept the offer? What is the promotion process like, would it be possible to be promoted quickly?

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  • Microsoft curioususr
    Nobody can guarantee promotion speed. If somebody promise that you'll be promoted fast, they lie.
    Jan 18 2
    • Capital One zolk13
      This!
      I got burned big time by such a promise.
      Jan 18
    • Microsoft curioususr
      I learned it the hard way, too.
      Jan 18
  • Glassdoor mnbmvc
    OP you got an offer to work for a same tier company, with lower pay, stock that's plummeting, bad WLB and problems all around.
    What is the question again ?
    Jan 18 0
  • Facebook chatban
    Don’t come unless you get at least 20% raise lol. Are you running some charity?
    Jan 18 0
  • Fiserv bmNj42
    Facebook is facing a lot of turmoil, I would suggest staying at Apple, as it's currently the more stable option
    Jan 18 6
    • Google / Eng catburglar
      ^ that's exactly how snap employees behaved a couple of years back.
      Jan 18
    • Facebook public2
      The difference though was snap actually had turmoil and not just a hatred from press...
      Jan 18
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      Yup, only Uber has had as much volatility in C suite changes as Snap.
      Jan 19
    • Microsoft wiywyai
      Um, Apple is having just as much turmoil if not more ... They have decided to stop sharing number of iPhones the single biggest contributor to their bottom line.

      Fb is probably a good time to join during the dip ... GDPR made Microsoft stronger, regulations on social networks could play right into the hands of Facebook.
      Jan 22
    • Microsoft wiywyai
      To clarify though, I don't think you should take pay cut to join Fb. Get better offer ... Then jump.
      Jan 22
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    atHo08more
    For those one are curious, Facebook actually dominates (in terms of hiring more than it loses) to all companies except for small start ups such as Robinhood. It also hires more than it loses to Google (70/30 ratio in terms of movement from Google -> FB versus the other way around). You can easily check this via Linkedin talent insights. FB has hired about 160 people from Amazon, while 10 went to Amazon from FB in the past quarter. Similar percentages across the board and it gets even worse for crappier companies like Oracle or EA (in which you might have maybe 1 or 2 people leaving from FB to join). You forget about how desirable WhatsApp, Instagram, FAIR, Facebook watch, marketplace is. Things are extremely healthy from an attrition perspective in the company because our leadership doesn't treat us as disposable objects like Elon or Amazon or shit tier companies like Capital One or glassdoor/indeed. People are coming to FB due to lower stock price and betting on a recovery.

    The free top notch free food and snacks, onsite dental/car services/spa/fitness, 21 days of PTO vs 15 at Google, 100k+ refreshers, higher multipliers for bonus, etc etc. doesn't hurt either. And like a responsible company, we run lean. Just as Google is doing, we're being more conservative with headcount in FY19. We do fire (with severance if you get PIPed), but at the same time we never have layoffs where people are forced out due to changes in company strategy. PIPed percentages are relatively low (low single digits in percentage). And if you do get PIPed, you will have strong options given where you're coming from.

    And ofcourse the branding. I've turned down multiple offers to interview for Director level positions as an E5 for start ups like Nextdoor, Houzz, etc. Where as before I was at FB, I didn't get any of these recruiter emails - certainly not for a director position.

    In terms of uncertainty, we have the same fundamental business model as Google (targeted ads). If FB gets regulated, all of tech will feel the effects as data legislation will not be limited to FB as you guys already see in Europe.
    Jan 19 0
  • Salesforce rcno01
    Just decline the offer?
    Jan 18 0
  • Salesforce haahe
    Oh boy, so much hate for Facebook. Getting a job at Facebook someday was my dream. I guess I should rethink.
    Jan 18 6
    • Salesforce CloudSurfr
      Lol, doesn't accept too many people? Maybe, but it's interesting you assume that's the only reason we don't come over....nice logic
      Jan 19
    • Facebook jbpeterson
      Don’t let the FUD on here freak you out. I’m a pretty new hire but my mind is blown by how solid of an environment, culture, and technology they have.
      Jan 19
    • Capital One Vfua50
      Power of memorization ( Leetcode) . No real world problem solving abilities . I respect google though in this terms. Wow so much Ego . It’s not good man.
      Jan 19
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      Lol, if all you can do is leetcode you won't last at FB and chances are you won't get in anyways. We know when you are pretending and love to see candidate reactions when we ask a variation of the solution approach. We don't allow coasters like at capital one.

      Everything you are spewing is just hearsay from blind. This place is toxic; get outside for some fresh air
      Jan 19
    • New / Eng Rob1729
      I have friends who have been spewing these too so I joined blind to see what’s this all about.... :-)
      You are so right!
      Jan 19
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    peidhxkn more
    Why switch jobs to get paid less? Lol
    Jan 18 0
  • Google / Eng yogi bear
    down level + pay cut + fb has a much more questionable future prospect

    please tell why the fuck this is even a question
    Jan 18 0
  • Microsoft
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    Don’t do it.

    Facebook is no better a company than Apple. Facebook has significantly more risk to its business model and stock than Apple does.
    Jan 18 5
    • Apple ^H^H^H
      Plus it’s a morally bankrupt business model. Money above integrity, and they’ve caused measurable damage.
      Jan 18
    • Facebook jbpeterson
      More risk, but also more upside. Questionable how much more upside Apple has left to innovate. I can see FB stock going up 40%, AAPL unlikely - already too overvalued
      Jan 19
    • Microsoft
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      Even with the upside in the stock, OP is getting a pay cut
      Jan 19
    • Facebook drondo
      Overvaluated with p/e 13? Get back to school son.
      Jan 19
    • Facebook jbpeterson
      Apple ain’t a growth company anymore kiddo. Blue chip territory.
      Jan 19
  • Apple / Eng megamex
    How is IC4 at FB a down-level if you already currently IC4 at Apple?
    Jan 18 3
  • New ktFx33
    What’s wrong with working at Apple?
    Jan 18 5
    • Google XCTl67
      Yeah, the question is what is so attractive in FB that you consider taking a pay cut. I believe FB is not the only option on the table if you want to switch company so I'm curious what is your expectation re FB?
      Jan 19
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      Perks, convenience, pay (refreshers), resume branding. All of it is better than Apple. Brighter future as well as the core business isn't dependent on an aging phone dependent on the whims of the president.

      We don't have a secret culture where badges only work for your building and we don't sue the shit out of leakers either like Apple does either. In short, we trust and treat our employees better.
      Jan 19
    • Google XCTl67
      Are those perks really worth the pay cut? I personally would be less sure about the bright future of FB compared to Apple, but this is just speculation. I buy the secret culture argument though and would be interested to hear from OP if that is the reason or politics or something related to the compony culture.
      Jan 19
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      atHo08more
      And how do you feel about Google cloud? I'd venture to say that is less safe. You can say the same things as FB and google given both are heavily ads dependent with limited traction elsewhere. Google's hardware division is growing but nowhere near supplanting ads.
      Jan 19
    • Facebook / Eng gJJA84
      The grass is always greener
      Jan 20
  • Capital One Vfua50
    I heard FB is sinking ship . Lot of fb folks interviewing at unicorn startups and other places.
    Jan 18 4
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      Please stay at capital one. We'd hate to waste time interviewing you.
      Jan 19
    • Facebook jbpeterson
      In other news, “unicorn startups” has become such a devalued phrase 😂
      Jan 19
    • Capital One Vfua50
      I just shared truth man. It’s okay to interview somewhere if you don’t know your future or for practice and can’t pay higher salary than another company isn’t bad sign ?
      Jan 19
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      atHo08more
      This is literally incoherent
      Jan 19
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    • Microsoft wiywyai
      Does Facebook have something like terminal levels and is E5 one of them ? (Microsoft has 63-64 onwards as terminal levels).
      Jan 22
    • Snapchat mndy15
      Yes, E5 is terminal. Which means you can stay as E5 as long as you want and you won't really ever get fired unless you do something bad.
      Jan 22
  • Credit Karma TFHC62
    Half the planet hopes Facebook crashes and burns. Why would you consider getting paid less to work there?
    Jan 18 0
  • Microsoft xxx10
    Why you are even thinking on less salary.. see other threads as well how work life balance looks like in Facebook.. we can not see in future as per current technology, so you can ignore promotion thing...
    Jan 18 0
  • Apple / Eng cho Chang
    Current TC breakdown and offer TC breakdown?
    Jan 18 0
  • Apple hMWF54
    Decline the offer. You don’t want to move for lower TC
    Jan 18 0
  • Dropbox krinjk
    Taking a paycut from Apple to FB? What? Shouldn't it be the other way around?
    Jan 19 0
  • Oracle Pearman
    TC ??
    Jan 18 0