Hello, I received an offer from Facebook, but it is an IC4 level. I’m currently an IC4 at Apple, which would be a down level and a pretty big pay cut for me if I were to join. Would it still be worth it to accept the offer? What is the promotion process like, would it be possible to be promoted quickly?
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- Microsoft curioususrNobody can guarantee promotion speed. If somebody promise that you'll be promoted fast, they lie.
- Fiserv bmNj42Facebook is facing a lot of turmoil, I would suggest staying at Apple, as it's currently the more stable option
- Um, Apple is having just as much turmoil if not more ... They have decided to stop sharing number of iPhones the single biggest contributor to their bottom line.
Fb is probably a good time to join during the dip ... GDPR made Microsoft stronger, regulations on social networks could play right into the hands of Facebook.
- For those one are curious, Facebook actually dominates (in terms of hiring more than it loses) to all companies except for small start ups such as Robinhood. It also hires more than it loses to Google (70/30 ratio in terms of movement from Google -> FB versus the other way around). You can easily check this via Linkedin talent insights. FB has hired about 160 people from Amazon, while 10 went to Amazon from FB in the past quarter. Similar percentages across the board and it gets even worse for crappier companies like Oracle or EA (in which you might have maybe 1 or 2 people leaving from FB to join). You forget about how desirable WhatsApp, Instagram, FAIR, Facebook watch, marketplace is. Things are extremely healthy from an attrition perspective in the company because our leadership doesn't treat us as disposable objects like Elon or Amazon or shit tier companies like Capital One or glassdoor/indeed. People are coming to FB due to lower stock price and betting on a recovery.
The free top notch free food and snacks, onsite dental/car services/spa/fitness, 21 days of PTO vs 15 at Google, 100k+ refreshers, higher multipliers for bonus, etc etc. doesn't hurt either. And like a responsible company, we run lean. Just as Google is doing, we're being more conservative with headcount in FY19. We do fire (with severance if you get PIPed), but at the same time we never have layoffs where people are forced out due to changes in company strategy. PIPed percentages are relatively low (low single digits in percentage). And if you do get PIPed, you will have strong options given where you're coming from.
And ofcourse the branding. I've turned down multiple offers to interview for Director level positions as an E5 for start ups like Nextdoor, Houzz, etc. Where as before I was at FB, I didn't get any of these recruiter emails - certainly not for a director position.
In terms of uncertainty, we have the same fundamental business model as Google (targeted ads). If FB gets regulated, all of tech will feel the effects as data legislation will not be limited to FB as you guys already see in Europe.
- Salesforce haaheOh boy, so much hate for Facebook. Getting a job at Facebook someday was my dream. I guess I should rethink.
- Lol, if all you can do is leetcode you won't last at FB and chances are you won't get in anyways. We know when you are pretending and love to see candidate reactions when we ask a variation of the solution approach. We don't allow coasters like at capital one.
Everything you are spewing is just hearsay from blind. This place is toxic; get outside for some fresh airJan 19 2
- Don’t do it.
Facebook is no better a company than Apple. Facebook has significantly more risk to its business model and stock than Apple does.
- Perks, convenience, pay (refreshers), resume branding. All of it is better than Apple. Brighter future as well as the core business isn't dependent on an aging phone dependent on the whims of the president.
We don't have a secret culture where badges only work for your building and we don't sue the shit out of leakers either like Apple does either. In short, we trust and treat our employees better.
- Are those perks really worth the pay cut? I personally would be less sure about the bright future of FB compared to Apple, but this is just speculation. I buy the secret culture argument though and would be interested to hear from OP if that is the reason or politics or something related to the compony culture.
- I heard FB is sinking ship . Lot of fb folks interviewing at unicorn startups and other places.
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