StartupsJul 14, 2017
Newlead

Fair Compensation

I am entering my full first year of working for a startup as a salaried employee. Initially I was hired to do back end Ruby on Rails work while I completed college... now that I am graduated, the company let some contractors go and now I am also responsible for all our dev ops on top of back end development and code reviews. I haven't gotten a raise since taking on the new responsibilities. Is this normal in start ups? When will it improve / be justly compensated? Am I overblowing my own worth? I have received no equity offers.

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Noble Software Group jesse Jul 14, 2017

sounds like you're getting fucked in the ass.

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lead OP Jul 14, 2017

That's what I was coming here to figure out. This is my first job in CS out of college. Took the position because I have to support my family and this seemed alright (in the Midwest). I have no idea what I'm worth but I think it's more than this by about 20,000

Amazon zCpm24 Jul 14, 2017

Get another offer and counter your company if you want to stay. Then build a team as the lead or manager.

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asaO86 Jul 14, 2017

what are they paying you?

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lead OP Jul 14, 2017

52800 before taxes. No benefits

Google oj5koa Jul 14, 2017

Yeah that's pretty bad... Is it in Oklahoma or something like that?

DialogTech Arcilux Jul 14, 2017

Not uncommon in small start ups, but also not something you should deal with if the pay is not worth it. My first job was at a small start up and by the time I left I was doing development, QA, customer support, DBA, and Dev ops, all for the same entry level salary I started with. I gave up waiting for it to get better and got a new job with a much larger company. Still somewhat of a start up, but much better managed and staffed. Got a $33k raise and went back to only doing development work and code reviews.

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lead OP Jul 14, 2017

Did you have to relocate to make the transition?

DialogTech Arcilux Jul 14, 2017

Not really, first job was in North West Indiana, second was downtown Chicago. I did move to the Chicago suburbs, but I could have stayed in NWI and taken a train to work no problem

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anaiDragon Jul 14, 2017

I was in a similar position. Started working part time for a start up while in school, and went full time once I finished classes. But they made me a real salary offer with benefits, equity etc and I wouldn't have stayed otherwise. Highly recommend your renegotiate or leave.

AT&T ohu812 Jul 14, 2017

I wouldn't waste any more time, I'd start looking for another gig. You're worth more and they know it.

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lead OP Jul 15, 2017

I have completed TripleByte and have a tech interview scheduled in 10 days

Databricks LETo08 Jul 14, 2017

Geezus. In the bay area you would be like at least $130k base plus benefits plus stock

Noble Software Group deeertyJ Jul 14, 2017

same here in Seattle

CareerBuilder hdTI13 Jul 15, 2017

Bay Area is more than 3 times as expensive to live as well as OP does in KC, though. People who spend too much time in the bay bubble lose sight of just how insane the COL is out there.

Internet Brands Ibbyliever Jul 15, 2017

I'll do devil's argument on this. Depending on your startup, your access to career growth opportunities could be worth more than that 20K. I, and a number of other engineers I know, started our careers in similar situations (since it's pretty common to startups). We were allowed/required to do more than peers of the same level at more established companies, and often had to be creative about doing more with a lot less. Ultimately, our careers have had sharper upward trajectories than our peers who took easy money. However, it has to be the right startup and you should constantly asses the full 360 package of hard and soft benefits you receive, along with opportunity costs over time for not taking that sweet sweet cash. Startups are exploitative by nature and need. You're being fucked on a casting couch. It's just a question of how hard, when you get out, and if it ever leads to an actual acting job.

Facebook Raichu Jul 18, 2017

Getting no equity in startup is like getting doubly fucked. Get out of there.

Moat welpfine Jul 20, 2017

I wouldn't take less than 130

Reddit YoyW47 Jul 20, 2017

You're getting DP'd. The salary is banging your throat while the equity is balls deep from the back.