Feeling Cheated at Intel want to gtfo asap

Intel HtDJ11
Oct 11 55 Comments

hello eone:

TC: 110K ( 100K base +10K QPB, APB, No RSU ).

I completed my MSEE last year (Dec 2018). I did my Masters after 9 years industry experience in India. i worked in different industries which includes Defence, Automotive, and semiconductor. Over the years, I was involved in Test Manufacturing, ATE, Test Engineering and industrialization, Test Automation related activities.
I did internship 3 months at semiconductor company and 7 months at Tesla during my Masters.

I joined Intel starting this year at grade 6. After joining BLIND, I realised that I am underpaid considering my experience. Even if I only consider my grade, I am geting lower side of grade window. In addtion the work is not i am feeling cheated and want to gtfo asap.

I want to target FAANG and want to start prep for the same. Want to understand...
0. Is it fine to discuss my unsatisfaction with my manager.
1. What ll be the programming expection for these YOE and skill set. Do I need to leetcode too?
2. Will be there any impact on profile of switching soon.
3. How to get call from these FAANG.

please help...

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TOP 55 Comments
  • Oracle
    not_larry

    Oracle

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    Amazon
    not_larrymore
    You are not underpaid if you can’t get an offer higher than your current TC.
    Oct 11 15
    • Intel hgvk
      You can check out the range of salaries for your grade at Intel , and you can find out where you are in the range . If you are way down, you can discuss it with your manager at the next review. Generally people that are underpaid for their grade get a larger bump .
      Oct 11
    • Intel yhyy46
      Where do you check range of salary for my grad? Is that on circuit?
      Oct 15
    • Intel hgvk
      Go to the pay modeling tool
      Oct 15
    • Intel yhyy46
      Seems like I am right on the mean. No luck of getting a raise
      Oct 15
    • Intel HtDJ11
      OP
      My mid pay range is 103330 and getting 110213.

      Seems no chance for getting raise.

      What’s a general annual % salary increase?
      Oct 15
  • 😂😂😂... Do not allow Blind put you in a position where you start hating your job. When you received an offer from Intel, I am sure you were super excited. Keep and maintain that excitement. Do your job. Unfortunately your YOE prior to moving to the US hardly matters in some circumstances. Sometimes you get lucky and they count it. Sometimes you don't.

    Do not be too focused on getting out of Intel and ending up impairing your performance. Do your job well. If you're asking if you need to Leetcode to get into FAANG, it means you're absolutely not ready for FAANG.

    Build your resume. Intel is a great company. You have been lowballed already. Your focus should be making sure you improve your skillset before trying to get a new job. Otherwise, Google might just offer you 85k base😬.
    Oct 11 3
    • Intel HtDJ11
      OP
      I completely agree. I just want to start prepping in a structured way to meet the FAANG expectation in parallel to or in aligned with my current work.

      Is the LEET CODE still important for EE guys who in general involved with test engineering stuff and hardware most of the time and use scripting languages to automate stuff?
      Oct 11
    • Intel / Other udbxu7w6u
      I dont think you have been lowballed. You should have taken time to negotiate carefully. When I got a call to negotiate from HR, I let them know i am not prepared to have that conversation and I pushed the conversation. I watched youtube videos @ negotiation earlier.. so I made sure i at least got a range for my grade. I then looked up the average pay for my grade and compared against H1B approvals. I discussed my expectations with friends working here. I did my "negotiation homework". ... coz i did not want to be lowballed.

      My TC is 130k and grade 7. Grade 6 also gets ~130k.

      I think ...you should not make rash moves, learn from this experience , use the Intel brand name and keep prepping.
      Oct 12
    • Intel / R&D dingbat99
      Agree. Op should take time minimum work 2 years to build good relationships with manager. Dont blindly follow Blind and get upset. Create the base solid with patience and hard work.
      Oct 13
  • Southwest Airlines spdlfjaoe
    110k in Bay Area? Holyyy....Texas Instruments in Dallas pays more for that and we have way way lower COL.
    Oct 11 9
    • Southwest Airlines spdlfjaoe
      Are you remote working? My old Amzn coworker moved to Dallas working for AWS offices here and had to take a COL pay reduction. He's a SDE2
      Oct 11
    • Amazon ___|___
      Not remote. Amzn has office in Tempe
      Oct 11
    • Southwest Airlines spdlfjaoe
      Interesting, I wonder if it's team based? I'll have to tell my friend, don't think he'll be too happy haha
      Oct 11
    • Intel adbC65
      $110K in AZ lets you buy a 3000 sq ft home. In Bay Area, you would have to earn $600K on the same ratio.
      Oct 11
    • New EqKy61
      Hi, I’m an EE working for HVAC manufactures looking to change professions. Current TC is 190-200k. I know some programming, but in the beginning level since I haven’t used it in over 3 years. Question is: how much programming do you have to know to land a sales job for let’s say, crypto, or sales Saas services or lead a sales team on it ? Do you need to have 5 year min to land this job? I’m trying to get the sense on how tech you have to be ?
      And what are the things I should know to considere the change. I’m on the fence between starting my own Saas service or going into the industry to learn how this works before I do it. Honest truth is well appreciated.
      Oct 12
  • Samsung tipsytoe
    You'll probably feel even more cheated when faang will down level you with little increase to current TC.

    0. Dont discuss any dissatisfaction with your manager. You feel cheated, and your heart has left the company I doubt they can change anything for you to stay.

    1. Yes LC
    2. Just interview and feel the market. Dont give 2 week notice until you sign an offer.
    3. Referral
    Oct 11 2
    • Intel intelletni
      This
      Oct 11
    • Intel loyalguy
      If OP times his/her interviews well enough and end up with multiple offers, he won’t be down leveled.
      Oct 11
  • Bloomberg TimeToPlay
    I’ve said it before, but when you do a master’s after industry experience you essentially label yourself as a new grad. It’s just like admitting that your work experience was worthless. Internship experience doesn’t count as work experience.

    If you don’t live in the Bay Area then your starter TC matches your background IMO. You just came from India and want boats of money... Should have chosen software in that case. Stay at Intel for 2-3 years and then jump to Apple maybe. Don’t look at the TC people post on here. We all started at a much lower point. I started at a lower point than you and since then have have 116% increase with the first jump, continuous increases without jumps after that and over a 75% increase now with the second jump, but I had to wait patiently while being underpaid for years.

    Just so you know, if you try to negotiate your TC at Intel it will get you nowhere and only make things worse. Don’t rock the boat. I’ve tried in the past and even when managers value you and want to help you it’s a very hard thing to do outside of the performance process in big companies.

    Best of luck!
    Oct 12 0
  • Intel qazwas
    Base pay range for a grade 6 is something like 80k to 125k. You aren't at the bottom of the pay range.

    Are there jobs in AZ that will pay you more - yes. Are there jobs in AZ that will pay you more for your skill and experience? Maybe not.

    Blind makes you think that everyone sleep walks into $250k TCs straight out of college. Nothing could be further from the truth. You are doing well for your career area, capability, background and location.

    I applaud you for wanting more. That's great. There are definitely ways that you can earn more. It will involve some combination of developing a new skill set, moving, or getting more experience / expertise. There aren't really any short cuts.

    In the meantime - work hard, do your job well, look for opportunities to learn inside and outside of Intel, network and learn about the industry. Don't come work everyday being pissed off and thinking Intel screwed you. I don't think they did and that won't get you anywhere anyhow.
    Oct 13 0
  • Intel intelletni
    First thing first, stop thinking you are underpaid, otherwise you will not sleep peacefully. second thing, stop looking at TC in blind. Learn as much as you can and when you are ready GTFO
    Oct 11 0
  • Intel Heretic01
    Intel will also auto apply market adjustment next April if you are below median amongst your peers and it’s not performance related.
    Oct 13 5
    • HPE d00m
      Does that happen to every new lateral hire?
      Oct 13
    • Intel Heretic01
      Yeah pretty much. At its heart when it comes to compensation intel is very much a communist company with very little pay difference between high performer and low performers within a business group and job code. Also since Jan 19 OR law makes it illegal to pay new hires with similar qualifications higher than existing employees more and more people are getting market adjustments lately.
      Oct 13
    • HPE d00m
      Alright. Probably they keep base pay tight in a range and use rsu to differentiate individual performance?
      Oct 13
    • Intel Heretic01
      RSUs and APB multiplier.
      Oct 13
    • HPE d00m
      Good to know! Thx Heretic
      Oct 13
  • Intel DV_GUY
    Your prior experience doesn't matter much in Intel( hard to swallow but true). Your pay is not bad compared other people in intel Arizona. Start with C/C++ or python and Data structures and Algos if you want switch to a different role. What is your YOE?
    Oct 11 4
    • Intel HtDJ11
      OP
      ~10+ YOE
      Oct 11
    • Intel DV_GUY
      Not prior Experience in India or other country. USA work experience
      Oct 11
    • Intel HtDJ11
      OP
      1 year internship
      Oct 11
    • Intel DV_GUY
      You can setup 1:1 with your manager and raise that if he can pick you for grade 6 in next appraisal. And in parallel prepare and give interviews.
      Oct 11
  • Amazon anion
    Looks like Software is not your passion. You tried lots of things and also did MS in EE.

    Now after realizing you can earn much higher as SWE, you want to switch?
    Oct 11 2
    • Intel HtDJ11
      OP
      That’s true. I am targeting EE jobs at FAANG. Not interested in doing SE stuff.
      Oct 11
    • Amazon anion
      The you shouldn’t need leetcoding like some other folks suggested.

      EE jobs (or ME jobs) are probably a bit harder to get because the head-counts are not unlimited unlike SWEs :(
      Oct 12
  • Intel HtDJ11
    OP
    I completely agree. I just want to start prepping in a structured way to meet the FAANG expectation in parallel to or in aligned with my current work.

    Is the LEET CODE still important for EE guys who in general involved with test engineering stuff and hardware most of the time and use scripting languages to automate stuff?
    Oct 11 2
    • Microsoft orki
      Remember hardware pays low
      Oct 11
    • Intel Awxp64
      Typically writing test scripts and automation scripts don't involve the most important aspect of coding, which is architecture. I've never done any leet code, but I'm assuming some of the more difficult questions have important architecture elements.
      Oct 14
  • HPE d00m
    1. Yo-yo'ing between HW and SW wouldn't help especially considering you have 9YoE. Instead, hold on tight at Intel for a while and prove your prowess at HW/testing and ask for salary bump up.
    2. Your entire work experience is based on HW/Testing. You have done your MS in EE. Doesn't make sense again if you want to try your hand in SW now. You would be blown away by colleagues with much lesser YoE at FAANG(if at all you get a chance)
    3. Don't let SW salaries depress you. I am a HW engineer myself and its a given that HW earns less than SW. Eventually, in the long run, HW pay tends to catch up ( I am talking from Indian context)
    Oct 13 0
  • Microsoft orki
    Blind is not fully true you know that right
    Oct 11 0

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