Feeling bad about how much I am making

May 15 589 Comments

Sorry about this brain dump, I just feel like I need to let this out...

I make standard amount of fang tech salary (not a lot per blind standard) but I feel bad about how much I am making and how greedy I became when switching jobs / negotiating offers.

Last year my son’s daycare teacher got fired from an innocent incident. She held herself accountable and reported the incident herself. yet she got terminated. She’s a single mom raising two kids and came from a different country (she’s an immigrant, and a mom like me). I donated $500 dollars and helped her do the job posting to find a new nanny job. She’s making $25 an hour as a nanny with no benefits. That’s about $60k a year. And as the kids grow up, she will need to look for a new job again.

This really makes me sad. Am I really 5 times better than she is? Do I work 5 times harder? Am I generating 5 times more value to the society? Do I deserve the salary I am making? Despite this, when I am trying to switching jobs recently, my first reaction to a $350k offer was “lowball”. taking a pause looking at my life, I think I have a problem. I don’t appreciate enough the fact that I got the life I am living, and how lucky I am compared to other people in the world, even compared to many people who were still in my home country.

I maintain a very simple and non materialistic life style - buy clothes from h&m and Uniqlo, wear free t shirt often times, cook at home during weekends, never bought business class flights, and go to Walmart for household stuff. I feel contained with my lifestyle and don’t think more money will solve any of my problems, and yet I still want to make more money(maybe as proof of how much company values me?), all while feeling like I don’t deserve the money I am making at all.

🤷🏿‍♀️

Anybody ever felt this way at all..?

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TOP 589 Comments
  • Google z5RtU7F
    First step: uninstall blind.
    May 150
  • TC? YoE?
    May 1514
    • Amazon cnnfox
      Math is not needed for software “engineers”

      Only github commits are real!
      May 16
    • Splunk rrKI36
      May be OP failed in English. "I feel contained" ..it is "content" lol
      May 16
    • Pure Storage meemeep
      I'm confused how we got the $300k number. OP said $350k was lowball
      May 16
    • Amazon dighit
      Nanny 60k a year. She makes 5x what nanny makes.
      May 16
    • Pure Storage meemeep
      Ohhhhh, yeah. But also said $350k was lowball, so OP makes more now, right?
      May 16
    • Morgan Stanley / IT<(°·°<)
      Op makes less but still thinks 50k more to move is a lowball offer
      May 17
    • New / ITxengelx
      Because 50k is spare change
      May 17
    • Microsoft youknowme!
      Omfg is that really important? Stfu
      May 17
    • Pure Storage meemeep
      M$ you weren't even on this thread. go away
      May 17
    • Microsoft youknowme!
      I decided to stay. Now tell me...what u gonna do? 😂
      May 17
  • Clover Health sinkinship
    No one deserves these things. It's capitalism at play. Let it motivate you to give back to the world. Be kind, loving, compassionate. Volunteer. Teach others these things through example. And two very important things: thank everyone and hate less.
    May 152
    • Facebook / DesignYOL28
      Wonderfully said
      May 16
    • LogMeIn / Otherfbdbdnfm
      One of the things I constantly try to remind myself of is survivorship bias. Things worked out for me, but they absolutely didn’t have to. Sure I worked hard, but lots of people work hard and don’t get ahead.
      7d
  • Airbnb junego
    Thank you. It is people of your kind pushing the society a better place to live.
    May 151
    • Tradecraft / DesignVJQC26
      I agree with this comment. OP, never lose your heart! That's the hardest thing to develop. You are in a blessed position to actually make a difference in a person's life and you recognize that.
      May 15
  • Symantec GoRams
    You didnt get ahead in the race to look back. Win it, then retire and do non-profit/volunteer
    May 153
  • FreeWheel sundayblind
    There are people who make 10 or maybe 100 times more than you and they don't work any harder than you. Some of them don't even work.
    May 159
    • Nvidia zVEC05
      Really? Like what? Are you sure you just don’t know what those people do?
      May 16
    • Facebook blueriver
      Some of them are living on interest from investments, I assume
      May 16
    • Nvidia zVEC05
      Like elderly retired people. They aren’t really “making” money then, but rather the money they made & invested for the future is making it. That seems like a good thing.
      May 16
    • Facebook blueriver
      Some have inherited money.

      It’s not a bad thing. The point is OP shouldn’t feel bad either.
      May 17
    • Nvidia zVEC05
      Some, but not very many. Only about 10-14% of millionaires & up inherit their wealth. 86-90% made it by starting businesses.
      May 17
    • eBay sLxwA828
      That may be because $1mm is not what it used to be and is very achievable by a salaryman. I wonder what % of deca-millionaires are self-made
      May 17
    • Facebook blueriver
      Citation? Those percentages leave 0% for people who saved from non entrepreneurial jobs, which is highly unlikely
      May 17
    • Nvidia zVEC05
      It’s $1 million & up. Think of famous billionaires: Gates, Zuck, Bezos, Buffett, etc. almost all are self made.

      The data collected by the Stanley’s for The Millionaire Next Door & The Next Millionaire Next Door show inherited wealth tends to be spent in about 1 to 2 generations. There are some rich kids, but there are far more not in the US.

      Those books are a great source for that low inheritance rate. They’ve tracked it back to the early 1900’s.

      There’s also this study:
      https://www.bls.gov/ore/pdf/ec110030.pdf

      And yes many of these people just saved. But most started businesses or were service professionals (doctors, lawyers, accountants).
      May 17
    • Facebook blueriver
      Ok. “Started businesses or were professionals” is very different from just “started businesses”. That’s what I thought
      May 17
  • Google pfjehsusm
    Donate it! I make $400k/y and donate $300k/y. Not only do I not struggle with feeling guilty about my good fortune, it's given me a pretty compelling reason to push myself at work. I'm actually making a difference!
    May 1617
    • Google pfjehsusm
      @SlimeSZN, Gross. Found the Ayn Rand fan.
      May 16
    • @Google You make 400k after taxes or before taxes?

      Because if it’s before taxes, you’d be pretty much donating all your income.
      May 16
    • Kaiser Permanente / DatamzlO62
      @Uber donations are tax deductible, his taxable income is 100k
      May 16
    • Oh, duh.
      May 16
    • Google / Engyogi bear
      salute
      May 16
    • Amazon
      Whatever!

      Amazon

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      Whatever!more
      And here I just keep thinking I'll make difference with my money "some day" but then Robinhood draws all my extra income and "some day" never comes...
      May 16
    • AnchorFree Israel
      nice! I am running a small non-profit to try and make free mobile games for kids that teach about climate change, ecology, and what possible future decisions the kids can do when they grow, to help humanity. Would you join as one of our patrons on Patreon? :)

      P.S. lol I'm trying to run all of that with my poverty-line 140 TC :D but we already have a good prototype of our first game that we plan to release this year.
      5d
    • Facebook / EngSad DGH
      Hi AnchorFree.. I would be interested in hearing more / donating - can u pm me with details.
      4d
    • AnchorFree Israel
      By the way, regarding that: "Wow. How do u make sure your money is being used well? That’s what I struggle with while making big donations."

      It's a very good question. IMHO non profits who live on donations should have their financial records and organization bank account activity open for public inspection.
      I think that in every organization there are people who will attempt to profit personally from the donations, more than what they care about their causes. And it's not necessarily happens at the top, budgets can get eaten somewhere on their way through the organization. And someone needs to audit all expenses, best auditor are the public, the people who donate.
      Yesterday
    • AnchorFree Israel
      I had this weird idea of having all org bank in\out transactions log posted online so anyone (or at least the patrons, members on Patreon who are donating) can see full activity and decide whether they like it or not. If they disagree with something (for example a game is being developed that is against their ideologies) they can stop donating.
      But I'm not sure whether it's legal to display (because it'll show also the graphic artists and developers who got paid and how much) but it's possible to mask real names\ids with ***** , and show only the balance and how much got in and got out. This will have live comments by the core team who initiated a payment, in a few words what this transaction was about (like "updated textures for characters":2700$, "3D model of oil rig":700$). The comments will be left voluntarily by the team members, but a public can demand explanation by marking a transaction (clicks on "?" Icon for example, we'll have it near each record)
      Yesterday
  • Snapchat uOkV57
    You have a good heart OP.
    I think you should NOT feel bad about your TC, if companies pay you that much to work for them, your work is valuable and well worth more than for the price they pay. I understand your frustration and IMO, part of it comes from inequality of wealth distribution, part of it comes from inequality of education system, and there’s more to be factored in such as luck, opportunity and resources.
    It’s hard to fight the system, you can’t change inequality right away. But if you truly want to help out, don’t just offer money, offer the resources needed for this busy mom to acquire skillset, help her advance her career than just a nanny. This is also not an easy task but it’s a much much more sustainable path.
    May 151
    • Microsoft
      xigocato

      Microsoft

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      xigocatomore
      When I was young, my Aunt and Uncle had an in house maid (common for middle class in low income countries) who was super hardworking and smart. So, when my cousins left the house, they pay her tuition to learn Windows and Office. Today she is manager at a large telecom...
      You can’t fight the system, but you can make a difference
      May 16
  • MailChimp cICL00
    Just remember Bezos made $65 million in the time it took you to write that post and gave it to no one.
    May 164
    • Microsoft / Engbrane
      He made money in the same way your house made money. Really makes no sense.
      Is there wealth inequality? Yes. Should we fix it? Yes. Is it Jeff bezos' fault he hasn't donated according to your timeframe? No.
      May 16
    • Facebook / EngSad DGH
      Disagree - Bezos is Ina leadership position and him not donating just sets the wrong example
      May 16
    • Expedia Ytdj51
      People that hoard mass amounts of money and then donate some of it when they die are the poster child of human greed...ya it’s better late than never but do you need all of that $150 billion (not all liquid I get it)?? Don’t you want to see it do some massive amount of good?
      May 16
    • Square jTCr61
      Jeff Bezos is probably the worst example you could've picked for this... https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/26/tech/jeff-bezos-philanthropy-trnd/index.html
      May 16
  • Amazon
    SamuraiBlu

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    VP of Everything
    SamuraiBlumore
    This makes me feel good to read - it’s a nice respite from the usual garbage from entitled tech employees. I’m glad someone else thinks critically and with maturity and perspective about this.

    I’d say don’t feel bad necessarily - you’re living well in the world as it currently exists and shouldn’t fault yourself; it wouldn’t help anyone for you to arbitrarily take an 80% pay cut because really no-one is better off in that case. Add positive value through donations of time and/or money with the freedom you’ve been granted.
    May 150
  • Google dumbfcuk
    You are fine to think so. Just make sure you eventually are grateful for what you got and compassionate for others. And remember life will get EVERYONE in it's own unique way and money is just a small part of it
    May 150
  • Akamai Technologies VmQQ44
    Fun fact: studies show that as a whole Republicans give far more charity than Democrats. At the same time, Democrats are more vocal about their giving than Republicans so again, it all comes down to virtue signaling on the left.
    May 1610
    • New / IT
      nCPY38

      NewIT

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      nCPY38more
      Source? I'm genuinely curious
      May 16
    • Albertsons rvUd7211
      Religious charities
      May 16
    • Akamai Technologies VmQQ44
      It’s a book by a left wing researcher/author/professor who set out to prove conservatives were less charitable but discovered the opposite. It’s called Who Really Cares.

      “Arthur C. Brooks is Louis A. Bantle Professor of Business and Government Policy at Syracuse University's Maxwell School of Citizenship and Public Affairs. The author of Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism, Brooks writes widely about the connections between culture, politics, and economic life in America, and his work appears frequently in the Wall Street Journal and other publications. He is a native of Seattle, Washington, and currently lives in Syracuse, New York, with his wife Ester and their three children.”
      May 16
    • New arhR58
      The author is President of aei which is a conservative think tank, he isn't a liberal researcher. That's just a lie. Even if it's not a lie the op is clearly misinformed so I wouldn't take his word seriously.

      I didn't read all the detail but it sure sounds like his survey wasn't a representative sample, if so it doesn't generalize to anything. There's no external validity.

      Quora has also identified a number of issues with his methods https://www.quora.com/Is-the-book-Who-Really-Cares-The-Surprising-Truth-About-Compassionate-Conservatism-based-on-accurate-research

      It's an opinion piece not rigorous research and it's never been replicated. So yeah... Science.
      May 16
    • Microsoft Neanderthl
      As Albertsons mentions above the charitable giving difference is due to the Republican Jesus freaks
      May 17
    • This doesn't surprise me because it is a conservative mindset that charity should be handled by society/individuals and a liberal mindset that the government should be responsible for the welfare of its people. There is no right or easy answer to this, either. Some examples:
      Veterans with PTSD: Is it up to the VA to help them or is it up to individuals and charitable organizations?
      The caregiver OP mentioned: is it up to the government to provide her with job assistance and food stamps and surplus food during her time of transition or should the government step out and let charitable food banks and relief organizations help?

      There is no correct answer. I wish you would see how wrong it is to point fingers at the other side and use Ben Shapiro buzzwords, though. Saying "conservatives are better because _____" is virtue signaling too.
      May 17
    • Akamai Technologies VmQQ44
      The author started out as a liberal and is now an independent. Geez, do some actual research. FYI Quora doesn’t count, Wikipedia is far more reputable than Quora which is universally accepted as where unqualified Indian SWEs go to ask questions about the job they should already know how to do so let me put this in words you’ll understand... do the needful and revert back 🤣

      More examples, the book is mentioned but also another group that found the same thing. Article written by liberal at NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opinion/21kristof.html
      May 17
    • New arhR58
      You make so many assumptions it's laughable. I'm saying his methods are flawed. I guess you can just make ad hominem attacks, racist comments (no I'm not Indian you fucktard and it wouldn't matter if I was) and cite opinion pieces instead of use your brains. Also did it ever occur to you socialist counties give less to charity because their government's doing the work? Or they give less because they have less disposable income? Total individual dollars don't matter because their entire political system is more charitable and gross income doesn't account for cost of living factors. What matters in this country is giving as a percent of your actual disposable income. None of your "evidence" speaks to that. Now I've explained to you like you're five. Good day, troll.
      May 17
    • Akamai Technologies VmQQ44
      I cited a liberal opinion piece that cites the research to show there’s no political bias. The only troll here is you as you’ve shown yourself to be incredibly intellectually dishonest but I assume that’s par for the course for you.
      May 17
    • Albertsons rvUd7211
      Personally, I allow Liberals to cannibalize each other
      7d
  • Microsoft
    Tier 1

    Microsoft

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    #1 in Prestige
    Tier 1more
    If Facebook didn’t think your labor was worth 300k, they wouldn’t pay you that.

    How much effort you put in is irrelevant
    May 150
  • Twitter Onobuv
    I work hardly and I do bring value. I learned hardly to get where I am now. I was leaving on 20$ a week in California (can u do this?) for several years when I was studying. I did not have any fun for 4 years, no handouts with friends, no travel of any kind, just 4 walls and books. But now I can afford a lot.

    Why we should pitty ppl who had fun instead of learning and now they are broken. She still can go to school and raise her market value. They are doing low qualified job and getting paid accordingly. She can benefit from walfare. Ppl are paying taxes for this.
    May 164
    • Intuit dumb@ss
      You have done well considering where you started from but life does not deal the same cards to everyone - some people are even less fortunate then you are and not everyone has the same opportunities or fortitude to put in the effort to pull themselves out of their dire situation. We should have empathy for others no matter how successful we become. That’s basic humanity and without it we lose the core essence of being humans. What we take with us is not as important as what we give to others and leave behind when we die. We came with nothing and we will go with nothing. It’s ok if one doesn’t want to help others as it’s their choice but at the end of the day we are all in this together and we should make a difference if we have the good fortune and opportunity to do so.
      May 16
    • New Vikf78
      Where’s the downvote button on this thing
      May 17
    • Tradecraft / DesignVJQC26
      Downvote
      May 17
    • United Airlines / IT
      jky

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      jkymore
      You cannot live on 20$ a week while having a kids. Also, making sure you raise a kid properly is ridiculously hard and consuming. Two of my cousins are each married, have kids, and are both going to school for an NP license. Their lives are in shambles at the moment and each of them they have to luxury of 2 incomes. Studying at that level requires a lot of time and effort as well as all of the parental duties that are part of raising young kids. Before you prescribe, it’s better to attempt to understand first. Not everyone has the opportunity or affinity to learn the specific field that happens to be paying well this decade.
      7d
  • Akamai Technologies VmQQ44
    Sorry too much grotesque virtue signaling to read this whole thing. About lost my dinner just making it through the OP 🤮
    May 167
    • Nvidia buck25
      Can anything not be classified as VS? Hard to have discussions.
      May 16
    • Target onlyshallow
      For real @buck25
      May 16
    • eBay / Eng
      mDBW53

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      mDBW53more
      This sentence is not VS.
      May 16
    • Nvidia buck25
      Only someone VSing would say that.
      May 16
    • Oath minou
      Way to appear holier than the rest of us with your whole "oh I don't virtue signal". Ugh. Stomach turning.
      May 16
    • I'm better than the poster above me because I'm not a VS-shamimg VIRTUIST
      May 17
    • Nvidia twobitin
      You just did it again, VSing yourself
      May 17
  • New arhR58
    It's funny how many of you tell this person how they should feel about their experience.

    No nobody here deserves to make half a million bucks to make some shitty app that gets people addicted and substitutes screen time for real social connection. For every problem you solve you create 10 more. Making a feature that's used by a million people who go on to feel little more depressed and isolated each day isn't creating value for the world. Just cause you work at scale don't mean anything you do is inherently more valuable than someone who works with a sample of 1. You're just ascribing it more value.

    The economy works the way it does because we agree it should. We could also decide to pay some professions more, but political parties choose not to do it. We as citizens don't demand it. Economics is something we agree on and we can change it by actions and policy. There is no natural economic law despite the fact there's math involved.

    It's rewarding to donate your time and money, keep it up. You have empathy and that's good, despite what some of the mutants here want you to believe.
    May 165
    • Flagged by the community.

    • Akamai Technologies VmQQ44
      @Albertsons: Wow 😮 you really just said that huh?
      May 16
    • Amazon / Engdock this
      Lmaoooo you understand he’s joking right? The economy isn’t some constructed thing, it’s an aspect of reality that we try to understand. It makes as much sense as “the ecosystem is a Jewish creation” only his comment is a parody of conspiratorial anti-semitism.

      Then again I may be giving Albertsons way too much credit, and they are indeed a dumb racist, who knows?
      May 16
    • Flagged by the community.

    • Microsoft Neanderthl
      Albertsons is joking. It's still hate speech
      May 17
  • If you really feel bad go and help the needy to offset. Very simple
    May 155
    • I agree with you that I am being a hypocrite. Saying that I feel bad, but don’t have the courage to quit.
      May 15
    • Cloudera imgR22
      Don't quit. If you quit the money will be in someone else pocket. Take the money and give what you don't use to the poors and help them
      May 15
    • Facebook / Design
      Danziggy

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      Danziggymore
      Or, take the money and invest in specific goals... Help that lady to start making her own preschool... Donate cash and tech skills to orgs that help single mothers get high paying jobs. The feelings that you have are a call to action. The action does not have to be quiting.
      May 15
    • Microsoft KingLoki
      Or hire her and pay her a decent wage.
      May 15
    • Oracle 66ggff44
      That is the way of life. Some people make 10x or even 100x your TC, sometimes without even working. We all go through some guilt trip sometimes. We should feel grateful and give back to the community as much as we can. Also remember opportunity and resources make a huge difference.
      May 15
  • Target onlyshallow
    It makes me feel relieved to see comments like this. Too much time on Blind can convince you tech is 100% sociopaths, and you're a loser for having feelings. TC at every level in tech is ridiculous, we need more empathy, and more support as a society for people who struggle.
    May 164
    • Albertsons rvUd7211
      We need more people who can actually program
      May 16
    • Target onlyshallow
      Who says these goals are mutually exclusive?
      May 16
    • Albertsons rvUd7211
      I'm just saying, we need more people to spend the 3 weeks to learn what a class is and what an object is
      May 16
    • Target onlyshallow
      Okay 🤷‍♂️
      May 16
  • Amazon rhdbxi
    Dumbest post ever. If you feel bad, please donate it to me, I’ll gladly take it and continue adding it to my wealth :)

    I’ll DM you my PayPal so you can start the transfer immediately.
    Thank you!!
    May 173
    • eBay jefPisasu
      Same here. Money has never been enough!!
      May 17
    • United Airlines / IT
      jky

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      jkymore
      Looks like we found the heartless people with a lack of self-reflection gathering here.
      May 17
    • eBay jefPisasu
      I’ve donated all my savings of my first job 1.5yrs to build a school back in my home town, also sent for family support. Everytime I get Gofundme post or any natural disaster I’ll donate at least 25-50$. Not to mention my own family expenses. So it’s just never been enough!!
      May 17
  • LinkedIn ex-fb
    Yoe 6, TC: 350
    I don’t think getting into FANG and being a swe is some great accomplishment. Anyone who can hell afford tuition for college can easily make it (and not they hard even if you can’t pay for college but can afford a laptop)
    So I never thought I’m more deserving, just that I’m more lucky.

    Linkedin and Facebook are not run by morons to pay me so much if they don’t have to. And that’s not my problem.

    Lastly, who cares for luxury cars or hundreds of dollars worth dinners?! Not me for sure!
    The more I earn, the better is my ability to make the world a better place and also pursue personal interests.
    Becoming rich and donating the money is way better and more impactful than working a low wage job in a non profit and public sector jobs. Some people think EMTs, soldiers etc serve the society, but Bill Gates would have saved more lives than a dozen doctors!
    May 161
    • > anyone who can help afford tuition for college can easily make it

      That's not true. I've seen people struggling with their first ever CS intro classes. Those are people not for SWE's. Luck plays its part, but luck alone doesn't get us into FANG.
      May 16
  • Adobe spiltBeans
    When I saw the headline I thought- oh great -another whiny little b!#& crying about not making enough.

    Pleasantly surprised with your post and perspectives.

    We need more of that on Blind.
    May 161
    • Facebook Confusd
      Idk man she does make insane 350k. It makes me feel like shyt lol
      May 16
  • Zillow Group Croissants
    We should be grateful for our salaries in tech. I'm donating 20% of extra savings every year. I hope to get more involved with how the money is spent so that I give the money to the causes/people I'm supporting and not just go through the regular charities.
    May 151
  • Capital One / EngTXrR83
    So there's this guy called Karl Marx, he wrote some stuff, I highly recommend it. Also she is more important than you and should be paid accordingly.
    May 163
    • Microsoft xergzies
      How's it feel working for capital one?
      May 16
    • Doximity Ewkd24
      Das Kapital One
      May 16
    • New / EngOlmk72
      I'd be a communist too if I was making Capital One TC.
      May 16
  • Google AI Snot
    First off, you are not going to add 5x value or even 2x, compared to a teacher or fireman. Your TC is reflective of a demand and supply equation. There are more teachers and nannies, thus commodifying the skillet, as compared to you, who happens to be top of the value chain for a limited period of time. Sometime in the future, AI or younger, faster coders with better skill sets may replace you. You have the privilege of being valued more in society. You can fee better by giving back. Volunteer, donate, teach, mentor to help those less fortunate get a jumpstart in life. The very fact that you introspecting is encouraging.
    May 170
  • Google / EngFreddyFox
    I have the same feeling with 650k. My parents worked 10 times harder. I see people in other industries who work much harder and are smarter. I just think I am lucky with the right job at the right time. Will start donating to feel better. Thanks for sharing your honest opinion OP. Respect that!
    May 163
    • Uber bkhfdg
      The world rewards working smarter, not harder, because working smarter brings the most benefits to the most people.

      It’s not that we shouldn’t value hard work. We should. But working harder without first focusing on working smarter just doesn’t create that much value.
      May 16
    • Google / EngFreddyFox
      Nice words bkhfdg.
      May 16
    • Intuit tgfi
      You’re missing the point. You’re just in the right place at the moment. Drop the smugness mate.
      May 16
  • Microsoft Cogito$
    Offer to pay for classes to get your friend to upskill into the tech sector - so that she can learn new skills and create a new career for herself. Doesn’t have to be SWE if that doesn’t appeal to her, lots of network/arch/consulting/design careers that will deliver better income for her and her kids.

    It can always be thought of as an extended loan that she can pay back when she has a new career, depending on how well you know each other.

    Teach people how to fish.
    May 162
    • Google GzCw41
      Isn't this a really condescending attitude? Not everyone wants to work in the tech sector, and that is fine. Assuming everyone's goal is to work in tech seems really misguided.

      Maybe she wants to be a nanny all her life, and that is perfectly ok.
      May 16
    • Workday mrmouse123
      If everyone is in tech then who is going to do all the stuff that tech people rely on? Teachers, janitor, firefighter, landscaper, waitress, chef....
      May 16
  • Netflix isitme
    I totally feel for you. I feel terrible for being so tall, tanned and beautiful. Ugly people deserve to be beautiful like me. I feel disgusted with myself. You can't imagine how I wish I was at least a little bit average. Sorry I needed to get this off my chest. Please help🙁
    May 161
    • OceanX Offermore
      lol, I think you are joking dude...
      May 16
  • Snapchat eeXB43
    Taking care of kids is really hard. I have to take care of my daughter once a week, and it is harder than when I am oncall.
    May 161
  • Facebook Confusd
    I make half what you do. I think about my parents who work multitudes harder and longer than me and together make 75% of what I make. I feel how you're feeling everyday.

    The fact is, you need certain amount of money to live a regular Joe life. Anything above that is excess and will help you buy luxury. A slightly larger house, a brag worthy logo on your car, a smart watch etc etc.

    The underlying question is - does that excess money buy happiness?

    In my opinion, a combination of good friends, community service, helping the less fortunate, going to the place of worship, good relationships and good health are responsible for happiness beyond that regular Joe pay check.
    May 160
  • Goldman Sachs not_djSol
    Just curious why are teachers in states paid so low? Even in a developing country like mine, teachers earn good money. Sometimes more than what entry level engineers do.
    May 1617
    • Kaspersky Lab aye dais
      Think about it, over 100K is not that great of a salary for software engineer, but you consider it great for a teacher
      May 16
    • Albertsons rvUd7211
      But the iq required to be a teacher is an order of magnitude less
      May 16
    • Kaspersky Lab aye dais
      Seriously? 80% of sw developers are no genius. It’s just the job is in high demand, and that’s all
      May 16
    • Albertsons rvUd7211
      Being a teacher requires elementary life functions
      May 16
    • Akamai Technologies VmQQ44
      Two things can be true at once... most teachers are paid what they’re worth and some SWEs are overpaid.
      May 16
    • Amazon pMWj71
      @rvUd7211 And you trust them with your kids the whole day. What does that say about you?
      May 16
    • Albertsons rvUd7211
      Software development is for paedos
      May 16
    • Oracle slf4j
      If you think SWEs are overpaid - try to ask elementary school teacher do SWE job.
      May 16
    • Oracle seg fault
      Because of supply and demand. It seemed like every girl was getting an elementary education degree in college. Also they get summers off and could work double pay.
      May 16
    • Kaspersky Lab aye dais
      Many SWEs and school teachers can’t drive a truck, design fashion and many other things, so what?
      May 17
  • Google arielj321
    The company you work for wants you to feel this way. Your feeling guilty about money only helps folks low ball you. Income doesn't reflect the value you provide to society, but to your employer.
    May 160
  • New / Design
    fk specism

    NewDesign

    PRE
    General Assembly
    fk specismmore
    I feel the same way and I make less that you. I donated $70k last year to animal rights organizations. I still feel bad, but getting involved and donating makes me happy, although I do it for the animals and the planet, not for me.

    Maybe you should try something similar.
    May 161
    • Amazon
      SamuraiBlu

      Amazon

      BIO
      VP of Everything
      SamuraiBlumore
      I’ve been doing the same. My rationale is a lot of the human-facing problems we caused ourselves, often because of bad choices. Animals are just sort of along for the ride and blameless victims.
      May 16
  • Wayfair sin()
    I’m glad to see that some people here feel the same as you OP. My views on developers at this point are entirely negative seeing how they all think they’re underpaid making 3-5+ times what I make, and putting in half as much work. I have a CS degree and it’s not what I want to do with my life, but I’ve worked too much in this field to see the greed that’s taken over so many people here, and the amount of disrespect to those who make less, while still asking for more. Be sure that you enjoy what you’re doing, that you aren’t bored, and just don’t let the money get to your head. In the end, that never works out for anyone.
    May 160
  • Amazon broke&dumb
    Do you think Bezos deserves 100 billion dollars?
    Nobody deserves that insane money.
    But it's not your fault that wealth inequality exists.
    May 166
    • Amazon / Eng
      HveP82

      AmazonEng

      PRE
      Amazon
      HveP82more
      I think he does, he created a 1T$ company, make some smart investment, so yeshe does deserve that much. What would be the push for people to keep working if what you can have is capped?
      May 16
    • Expedia Ytdj51
      He kind of does...look at the company and your job he made possible. Not to mentions the other businesses and people that have benefited from his business. Sure he doesn’t need that much money, but I can’t say he didn’t deserve it
      May 16
    • Glassdoor nyb123
      HveP82 do you really think that bezos is working for the NEXT 150 billion dollars? it's insane to claim that if couldn't earn MORE money then he'd stop working. Clearly he is driven by more than just money else he would have quit 149 billion dollars ago
      May 16
    • Facebook AyyoLeMayo
      You assume that people only work for money, at this point Bezos is building a legacy.
      May 16
    • Expedia Ytdj51
      Ya, he’s working for legacy, influence, status
      May 16
    • Google / Eng4xw99sh1
      I agree. It is kind of limited to assume all people work for money. People work for what they believe. Many people believe in money. Some do not. And beliefs can change.
      May 16
  • Google
    OldAndGrey

    Google

    BIO
    35 years in tech.
    OldAndGreymore
    It’s not how much you earn. It’s what you do with it. In the last 20 years I’ve given away more than a million $. Give to charities, be a force for good in the community, protect the weak from the strong. Money itself is not bad, nor is negotiating hard. Remember “he who dies with the most toys is still dead” it’s not about things, or goals. It’s about relationships and enjoying the journey. Enjoy the journey, take pleasure in helping others.

    30yoe. 750k tc
    May 172
    • New hqWe60
      2yoe 1.5m tc
      May 17
    • Google
      OldAndGrey

      Google

      BIO
      35 years in tech.
      OldAndGreymore
      Nice. That’s about where my AGI is with investment income.
      May 17
  • Microsoft xergzies
    Push for a living wage and universal healthcare. Separating health care from employment will be a boon for society and spending money promoting this type of change is far better than donating directly to those less fortunate.
    May 162
    • Adobe spiltBeans
      This. Though not sure about living wage for quite some time. Universal Healthcare would be HUGE though. In addition to helping the poor, think of how much innovation would happen as super smart folks would not not feel tied to their jobs because of company provided health insurance
      May 16
    • MGM Resorts BionicMan
      I agree we need universal healthcare. It would increase worker mobility instead of forcing people to work for a certain employer because of healthcare benefits. I disagree with a living wage but instead think there should be universal income something sort of like social security/welfare for all.
      May 16
    • Salesforce / Eng
      HQLY00

      SalesforceEng

      PRE
      Modernizing Medicine, TransUnion
      HQLY00more
      Getting yeeted and then voting for yang 2020 let's get it
      May 16
  • Oath rss123
    Both doctors and firefighters save people's life. However, society rewards doctors with much higher pay than firefighter. How much you earn doesn't depend on how important is your work. It solely depends on what is percieved value of your work.
    May 160
  • Only reasonable thing to do is quit and work at mcdonalds bro.
    May 166
    • Nvidia buck25
      McDonald's has too much career advancement opportunities, try Taco Bell as its much less of a patriarchy
      May 16
    • Target onlyshallow
      This is not a helpful response. People in positions of privilege are allowed to talk about that privilege without being hypocrites.
      May 16
    • Nvidia buck25
      Maybe if you want "privilege", go work hard for it like most everyone else that "has it"?
      May 16
    • Target onlyshallow
      I never said privileged people don't work hard. Imo basically everyone in the US works way too hard to begin with, both the McDonald's worker and the software engineer. Doesn't change the fact that privilege plays a big role in how much money you make for your hard work, or that we're allowed to talk about it w/o being hypocrites.
      May 16
    • Booking.com Bukking
      @onlyshallow when would you be allowed to talk about it? When you don’t have it?
      May 17
    • Target onlyshallow
      I think you misread my post. My point was that anyone can talk about it.
      May 17
  • Workday slota
    The bay area screws normal people, I really don't see how the people at restaurants, grocery stores, etc survive or how they plan on surviving. Bay area is a fucked up place to live in. The nanny should just move.
    May 165
    • ADP / Mgmt
      Runner131

      ADPMgmt

      BIO
      I call myself "Damage Control" as I turnaround poor performance of others and get results.
      Runner131more
      $60k-75k is like entry level engineering money, 0 experience in most of the midwest FWIW
      May 16
    • Great American Insurance Group xxtdxx
      If that. I’m 8yoe trying to get a bump from 80k in OH. But yeah, unless you’re tech, it’s hard to make a great salary in high income high standard of living places.
      Edit. Tech or finance/business
      May 16
    • ADP / Mgmt
      Runner131

      ADPMgmt

      BIO
      I call myself "Damage Control" as I turnaround poor performance of others and get results.
      Runner131more
      Ya, breaking six figure in most of the midwest is somewhat equivalent cost of living to the $250 -350ish in the Bay. Except for like Chicago perhaps.
      May 16
    • Great American Insurance Group xxtdxx
      Where are you from to know the troubles of Midwest tech income?
      May 16
    • ADP / Mgmt
      Runner131

      ADPMgmt

      BIO
      I call myself "Damage Control" as I turnaround poor performance of others and get results.
      Runner131more
      I have done Talent Acquisition nationwide for over a decade
      May 17
  • New / EngRLBk13
    Yeah lets be honest, tech jobs are pretty easy and frankly very over paid. Just think of it as a gold rush. The insane salaries will dry up. In the meantime you have so much ability to donate to cause you care about. Donate some money. I have recurring donations to a few charities.

    Also vote. Vote for people to pay teachers better. Support teachers when they strike. Support workers when they strike.
    May 164
    • Intuit dumb@ss
      Considering how much money these companies make from our efforts, knowledge, experience, etc. I think we are underpaid. Definitely people in other professions like teachers, nurses, firefighters, etc. should be paid a comfortable living wage as well for what they contribute to the society. The two are not mutually exclusive. A more equitable world will lead to more happiness and less discontent.
      May 16
    • Twitter Onobuv
      If you think you overpaid and it is easy, then you either do not do anything at your job or u do a shitty job.
      May 16
    • Salesforce pmyz88
      You should start your own company if you think it is the case ..
      May 17
    • Apple toooooo
      I won’t say my job isn’t worth the money I get, but I would say the gap in incomes is too much. The gap between my income and a teacher’s is too much, and between everyone and CEOs or others with vast wealth that makes more wealth is definitely wayyyyy too much.

      That said, I don’t support teacher’s unions. I think they led to abundance of lazy and ineffective teachers.
      May 17
  • Amazon Zmaaon
    Here you go my bank account:
    Routing#: 021000021
    Accounr#: 60906521
    Transfer your money in or GTFO!
    7d3
    • Albertsons rvUd7211
      Everyone will just ach out of your account now clown. Have fun paying my phone bill.
      7d
    • Microsoft
      Tier 1

      Microsoft

      BIO
      #1 in Prestige
      Tier 1more
      That’s such a clearly fake bank account number
      7d
    • United Airlines / IT
      jky

      United AirlinesIT

      PRE
      Weatherford International
      jkymore
      But not a fake routing number. I wonder how many of those numbers are actually their account number.
      7d
  • Microsoft Hqga
    I moved from Europe to the US because where I am from being better off than a guy next door is wrong. I just hope this country doesn't follow the suit and instiutionalize the guilt of being better than others. I am of an opinion that people shall be responsible for the decisions they make. And, yes, life's not fair.
    May 163
    • Great American Insurance Group xxtdxx
      Life wasn’t fair in medieval times, but it doesn’t have to be now; we choose to let people suffer.
      May 16
    • Microsoft Hqga
      A lot of these guys chose partying over reading books and taking classes. I feel for those whose cognitive abilities are worse than mine, but, sorry, I refuse to feel guilty for being smarter or being rewarded with more money for working my ass off in school and working long hours when others went looking for their inner selves in Gia and Nepal, and you can call me medieval all you like
      May 16
    • Great American Insurance Group xxtdxx
      There’s a difference that can’t be solved overnight. It’s a culture thing in general. I’m not saying you shouldn’t get more for doing more, I’m saying that should never have been the thought process you went for. It’s a thing that can only be changed over several generations of forward-thinking individuals, innovators, and leaders. We’re living in the past, with a concept we can’t get past in our heads.
      May 16
  • Uber vKUp33
    This post makes me laugh. Volunteer your time and help people like the teacher make themselves more valuable to make more money. You're not even making that much money. Most people are one incident away from bankruptcy. What happens if the same incident happened to you. Would your kids be fine? Unless you have an automated income source you should probably look at your own situation before feeling guilty. Get your income on cruise control, then use your time freely to help less fortunate people.
    May 163
    • Airbnb airHacker
      That's a pessimistic way to live life waiting for the worst to happen and not live the way you would have wanted to.
      May 16
    • ConsenSys / Engdackjorsey
      bb like but bb never say
      May 16
    • Uber vKUp33
      I live the way I want to, 2 automated Amazon stores that make more than my salary. I believe I would be a realist.
      May 16
  • Move bdvsjzish
    A true first world problem - stop whining and start acting - you claim feel bad for the teacher? If you really care about people which you clearly don’t you could use the money you so much dont need to change lives - start a nonprofit with that mission- truth is you’re a greedy mtfcker and you don’t really care - you donated $500 lol it’s like 3h of your time. That how much you care for her
    May 161
    • OnDeck qVHL74
      I feel the same about the OP. If she really thinks she doesn’t deserve that, she can quit, right? Why did she push the luck and wrote such a post? I cannot think she is doing any meaningful things here except she feel she earns 5 times more than the teacher.
      May 16
  • T-Mobile / Mgmtwhee
    My advice? Drink heavily.
    May 161
    • Apple / HR
      OnlyGifted

      AppleHR

      PRE
      Apple
      BIO
      I'm the next Steve Jobs. Let's make it happen.
      OnlyGiftedmore
      Also recommend hallucinogens
      May 16
  • New / EngSharmaG
    This kind of thinking defined my 20s and early 30s. Now I just want to make enough money to retire and be done with this shit that we call a workplace.
    May 160
  • Amazon aXiN38
    I think this post is really brave and vulnerable. It sounds like you are a very compassionate person, as well as someone who also knows how to get what they want and is driven. I’m curious what money means to you... you mentioned you are content, but you still want more. I think that’s pretty normal, but why do YOU think that is? And where does the belief come from that you don’t deserve the money you make?

    All of this is just coming from a curious place, not an interrogation whatsoever :)
    May 160
  • Qualcomm / EngGtSk70
    Everyday I feel this way and I make half of what you make.
    May 162
    • Primer AI / Eng
      gEMD88

      Primer AIEng

      PRE
      SAIC
      BIO
      Two time CTO with experience bringing SaaS to market. Can provide career advice.
      gEMD88more
      Yep
      May 16
    • Metromile CGks70
      Mee too, I feel like going back to my country.
      May 16
  • Nvidia buck25
    How long before SJWs start demanding we recognize our unconscious "paid guilt" biases?
    May 161
    • Akamai Technologies VmQQ44
      I assumed that was already happening.
      May 16

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