Feminist vs equalitarian

Intel falalalala
Apr 30 47 Comments

I've always considered myself to be an equalitarian, feeling that people shouldn't call themselves as feminists, but rather equalitarians. There are so many issues that the LGBTQ community faces. Men also face issues. How long until we stop being feminists and become equalitarians?

PS: Asking this with zero hate towards anyone. Just looking for a healthy discussion.

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  • LinkedIn ex-fb
    Unfortunately you’ll not get a healthy discussion on this topic.
    Many people who identify as feminists are misandrists (and get away with it coz that’s a form of sexism that is tolerated by the current society), and they’d always come up with the most ridiculous reasons to stereotype men as privileged, for their own personal and political advantage.
    Apr 30 7
    • LinkedIn ex-fb
      Egalitarians want the small minority of feminists to treat men as equals, not as second class citizens
      May 1
    • Intel babubhatt
      So in your mind, feminists are the only barrier to equality? Do you believe that some men that treat women as second class citizens?
      May 1
    • LinkedIn ex-fb
      There’s no organised discrimination against women unlike men like affirmative action, harsher sentences, lack of homelessness shelters, biased laws etc.
      Feminists may not be the only barrier, but there are way too many who are all for discrimination against men (such as those who protest recognising international men’s day, or doing away with any biased laws against men etc).
      Im all for equality of both sexes, but feminism more often than not is sexism
      May 1
    • Google Mr. Glass
      Exactly. Feminists institutionalize discrimination
      May 8
    • Microsoft pJcW86
      Feminist are the new bogey(wo)men
      May 8
  • Zillow Group ckrbsgjly
    Why are you opposed to just using feminism as the word? It's what everyone else uses. It means essentially the same thing in practice.
    Apr 30 7
    • Intel falalalala
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      the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes. This is what Google says. The main focus is on women empowerment.
      And given that it's a relatively new term anyway, why don't people switch to something more inclusive rather than argue over why feminism can be an all-gender inclusive term?
      Apr 30
    • Zillow Group ckrbsgjly
      Because the rest of the world has moved on because this isn't a problem
      Apr 30
    • Intel falalalala
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      The fact that there is a section "women in tech" under topics on blind itself is proof enough that feminism != equalitarian
      Apr 30
    • Zillow Group ckrbsgjly
      How is that proof of that? Gawd. I'm unsubbing from this thread y'all are dense af.
      May 1
    • Microsoft pJcW86
      The world has moved on from gender inequality? Stick your head in the sand much?
      May 8
  • Capital One / Eng newUse
    For a long time, minorities were underrepresented and had to silently deal with discrimination. Finally there are people who speak on their behalf. Times are changing. So we should embrace the change. In this new age, no one will be judged based on their color/gender/age. Also, I have a theory on this. Why do we have feminists? Why do we have people who are saying we need to support women in tech? Because if these are not enforced, then very few will support women and things will remain the same as it has been for ages. So the only reason feminists are there is to bring in the “equality” which was missing for a long time. Before feminists came, there was no equality anywhere. I am saying that I’m so proud of the changes companies are bringing. For example- Today morning I was so happy to see an email from someone mentioning the rules that other employees have to follow to respect Ramadan. One of the rules was to not eat in your office desk during lunch time and instead eat it in the break area. This does not mean that my employer is telling me to stop eating. It’s a huge step that my employer took to respect and include a minority group. While I’m not a Muslim, I am so proud.
    Apr 30 12
    • LinkedIn ex-fb
      Appreciate your willingness to be flexible, but I wonder if I see a bit of hesitation in your willingness to accommodate groups that the left does not currently see as discriminated/under privileged.
      On an unrelated note, minority is a very subjective word. Asians may be minority, but as software engineer, a white make can easily be the minority in the team.
      Apr 30
    • Intel falalalala
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      I don't think comparing dietary restrictions with hunger is a fair point.
      Apr 30
    • I don’t eat beef in front of Hindu colleagues to show respect and I’m fine with it. (I’m not Hindu.)
      May 1
    • Intel falalalala
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      I'm a vegetarian and I don't think that I feel okay with someone doing this for me. We came to this country very well knowing that there would be times when at least in some remote parts, all that you would get in vegetarian would probably be fries. Which might have very well been fried in the same oil as other meat(I've seen this during my on campus job) If you continue to try to please people, you'd have to not eat sugar in front of highly diabetic people, not eat specific food in front of someone who's allergic to it. These guys would at least make sense as they have restrictions because of a medical condition rather than by choice.
      May 1
    • Intel falalalala
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      One doesn't even have to be obligated to eat away from someone who's practicing Ramadan. I've had Muslim friends who would hangout with us when we eat and said it's control that they need to practice and shouldn't get affected by what others do. The only thing our team did was have our quarterly lunch outing after Ramadan ends so they can join us for lunch too.
      May 1
  • Tableau / Eng
    ThePlague

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    ThePlaguemore
    Google it and you'll see pretty good arguments for the name.
    I'm all for Equality, but also all for good naming conventions so once I understood the arguments, I accepted "feminism" is a valid designation
    Apr 30 12
    • Tableau / Eng
      ThePlague

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      ThePlaguemore
      Wait what? Who said feminism is pushing a single side? Your definitions say feminism is about equality
      May 1
    • Amazon / Eng
      onMyWay

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      “the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes.”

      Focusing on equality exclusively for one set of people is not equality unless that set of people is less equal than every other group of people in every way. There’s no set of people that I’m aware of that are unequal on every facet of life.
      May 1
    • Tableau / Eng
      ThePlague

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      ThePlaguemore
      Let me rephrase it "making sure women are given equal rights".
      That's targeting Equality, although the group represented is not everyone
      May 2
    • Amazon / Eng
      onMyWay

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      So why don’t we represent everyone in our endeavors to achieve global equality, I guess is what I’m wondering?
      May 2
    • Tableau / Eng
      Anon123455

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      Anon123455more
      It's pretty common to have organizations fighting for the rights of smaller disadvantaged groups instead of everyone. That's how they have greater impact.
      For example, free vaccination and medical supplies in third world countries
      May 2
  • Apple
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    Concur
    Apr 30 0
  • Pandora scrolllock
    Late stage “isms” would, justly, evolve into egalitarianism. Bravo to you for making that transition.

    However, there are people that would like to abandon these things as well - not to evolve past the concept, but to destroy it and regress. This is why others continue to identify with the term, deservedly so. We need the concept of feminism, and other isms, as a basis toward progress and to defend against regression.
    Apr 30 0
  • Intel babubhatt
    I think most feminists would agree that equality is the goal.
    May 1 1
    • Microsoft ghfc2
      Equality of... what, exactly?
      May 5
  • Facebook / Eng lkj630
    Google the definition of feminism.
    May 4 0