I moved oversees to work for Facebook, I was excited about the job and started working really hard. I am a person who forgets things easily, so I usually record meetings and later listen to them again carefully to take proper notes. One day a coworker noticed that I am recording, he/she reported it to Facebook and an investigation team started following up on the case. My manager came to me and asked if I’ve been recording meetings the whole time, I was so worried and nervous and said no. There was also no evidence because I deleted the recordings before anyone check my phone. A couple of days later, I had a meeting with the investigation team and decided to tell them the truth, I didn’t want to build my career on a lie, and I lied only because I was very nervous and afraid to lose a career that I moved oversees for. When the investigation team knew about it, and my manager knew, they were shocked. A couple of weeks later, I was fired for “not passing the probation period”.
Now I totally understand I was wrong and should’ve asked if it’s ok to record meetings, then later should’ve not lied, but it was a mistake, I was too worried, and later I told them the truth, I could’ve kept lying and no one was able to prove it, but I didn’t.
Do you think I deserved being fired? Wasn’t it better to give me a warning instead of getting fired? I moved with my spouse (who quit their job for this) to move to this country and I ended up experiencing the saddest story of my life.
I am diagnosed with intermediate depression now.
- Microsoft / R&DMehmehmehbmoreYes. Recording without consent is a big breach of trust. I would have fired you on the spot.
- This raises several red flags that I would have also fired you for regardless of intent.
In order of seriousness
1) recording internal FB meetings on a personal device. This would make many tech companies very nervous and almost certainly against company policy
2) Recording other parties without their consent. In most places this is actually illegal.
3) you lied to your manager about it
4) you did not show sufficient judgement to foresee any of these first 3 things
I think that any one of 1,2,4 would be grounds for being fired. The lying part is up for debate.
Also you might have gotten fired, but you still made the correct choice in coming clean. If you kept up the lie and they actually had evidence of you recordings meetings you could have even faced legal troubleMar 105
- Sorry to hear that... your ex colleague is a snake to report you. They could tell you that you might get into the trouble because of it. Hopefully, karma will get them... i hope you’ll find a new job soon!
- What if you’re not aware that you’re doing something illegal? I’m sure she/he’d stop recording if they simply tell her/him that it’s unethical.
I guess some of people lack of empathy. I’d feel bad if someone lost a job because of me. Especially that she/he wasn’t aware of doing something illegal.
We’re not talking about a homicide, so i suggest to relax :)Mar 107
- Amazon eIuY64Absolutely deserved to be fired. This is one of the more egregious things I have heard on this site. Recording people without their consent is unethical.
- Amazon 🍌s 4 BezosMeetings at Amazon get recorded all the time, so that they can be watched by those who weren’t there. Always, though, the person doing this announces that it’s happening. I think that’s the piece you were missing. Recording someone talking, who is not a public figure in a public setting, is creepy.
- If you are working in California, you should feel blessed they are not sending you to jail. Recording audio without consent is illegal in CA.
- Intel bnhtaOP you should have asked permission first. And never lie. That first lie to your manager was impossible to recover from - for one thing it shows a psychopathic willingness to throw your co-worker under the bus and accuse HIM of lying. Your co-worker who reported you did the right thing - he observed a security breach and he had to report it. Reading your diatribe "I could have kept lying and no one was able to prove it but I didn't", you came to your senses later but you should have arrived there the instant your manager confronted you. It's good that you came around but that first immediate lie to your manager did you in. You could have played dumb, confessed immediately and perhaps you'd still have your job today. Someone who resorts to LIES as an INITIAL IMMEDIATE response (your excuse of uprooting your world to move to the US is weak) does reveal a huge character flaw that would be impossible to overcome. I'm sorry you're suffering depression as a result of this incident but you will heal from this. Learn from this and don't repeat the defensive lying behavior because something else is bound to happen at work - people make mistakes ! Always fess up and apologize immediately.
- Wish / OtherqpZ:_:ZqpmoreChill out. Shit happens. You seem to have made an honest mistake. There will be worst mistakes in your life. You learn from them and move on. I’ve seen people get fired for trivial reasons sometimes even telling the truth. I don’t know why and I don’t care. Who cares? Why don’t you apply to other companies? Move on bruh.
- I am sorry this happened to you. I guess you were not familiar with US laws and rules. Unfortunately there is nothing you can do about this. This is common sense for Americans but it may not be for the people especially from a country where rules are loosely enforced. Hope you become healthier and find a good job.
- New / OpstooQ10moreRecording class lectures and meetings for personal review later is absolutely understandable - doubly so if you're not a native speaker and can't process English at natural speed - but unfortunately corporations see only the potential complications of taking those recordings out of the office. Your slipup is understandable, but you should have asked for permission first.
- Your mistake was recording meetings on a personal device and not informing the group that they were being recorded.
These could have been conversations that talk about IP, about company decision making, its a huge breach of trust.
I would have fired you as well. That sends a strong signal that this IS a fireable offense and you make the perfect example 👍😁
- Amazon pssst7It was very unfair to fire you for this. Were you educated in the Facebook bootcamp about this policy of recording?
I highly recommend that you setup a consultation with an attorney and get their advise on this.
I don't feel it is worth trying to figure out anything way to go back to Facebook after all this. But at-least work out with the attorney to negotiate a better deal financially
- Not everything needs to be covered during boot camp. What next teach people to use toilet paper in boot camp?
It’s just common sense and the company was right to fire him. He may have survived this if he would not have lied to the manager. But because he lied, that sealed his fate.
- You are an idiot. Recording without the permission of all parties involved will land you to jail in CA. If OP lawyers up, they better get ready to be the toy of a big guy in a state prison.
If FB can hint OP was doing industrial espionage for another country, OP can upgrade to a federal prison
- SAP palindromYou could have asked on blind before you decided anything at your investigation.
- Unity / SalesKrystalmoreThe only thing you did wrong was admitting it to the investigation team. Stupid.
- Expedia KennewickI wonder what the company policy is. BlueJeans has the ability to record meeting audio. This might actually be illegal in Washington State because the law requires you to announce it every time someone joins the phone call.
My employer has a policy that says something about the fact that they might record things in public areas (I forgot the exact wording).
Point is: while it can come across as creepy, the biggest mistake was for OP to change his story. You should have stuck with the truth or doubled down on the lie.
What you did was wrong but HR will never reward you for telling the truth when you’ve messed up.