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Fired at Facebook for lying

New / Enguserrrrr
Mar 10

I moved oversees to work for Facebook, I was excited about the job and started working really hard. I am a person who forgets things easily, so I usually record meetings and later listen to them again carefully to take proper notes. One day a coworker noticed that I am recording, he/she reported it to Facebook and an investigation team started following up on the case. My manager came to me and asked if I’ve been recording meetings the whole time, I was so worried and nervous and said no. There was also no evidence because I deleted the recordings before anyone check my phone. A couple of days later, I had a meeting with the investigation team and decided to tell them the truth, I didn’t want to build my career on a lie, and I lied only because I was very nervous and afraid to lose a career that I moved oversees for. When the investigation team knew about it, and my manager knew, they were shocked. A couple of weeks later, I was fired for “not passing the probation period”.

Now I totally understand I was wrong and should’ve asked if it’s ok to record meetings, then later should’ve not lied, but it was a mistake, I was too worried, and later I told them the truth, I could’ve kept lying and no one was able to prove it, but I didn’t.

Do you think I deserved being fired? Wasn’t it better to give me a warning instead of getting fired? I moved with my spouse (who quit their job for this) to move to this country and I ended up experiencing the saddest story of my life.

I am diagnosed with intermediate depression now.

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  • Microsoft / R&D
    Mehmehmehb

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    Mehmehmehbmore
    Yes. Recording without consent is a big breach of trust. I would have fired you on the spot.
    Mar 104
    • Twitch ~-~
      Also illegal in California without consent from all parties.
      Mar 10
    • Tableau Zero Cool
      And he was probably recording it with his personal phone
      Mar 10
    • Amazon KHCr70
      This raises several red flags that I would have also fired you for regardless of intent.

      In order of seriousness
      1) recording internal FB meetings on a personal device. This would make many tech companies very nervous and almost certainly against company policy

      2) Recording other parties without their consent. In most places this is actually illegal.

      3) you lied to your manager about it

      4) you did not show sufficient judgement to foresee any of these first 3 things

      I think that any one of 1,2,4 would be grounds for being fired. The lying part is up for debate.

      Also you might have gotten fired, but you still made the correct choice in coming clean. If you kept up the lie and they actually had evidence of you recordings meetings you could have even faced legal trouble
      Mar 10
    • Brocade romdom
      Ever wondered why every teleconference system spurts out "this meeting is being recorded " adage? It's needed by law (in most states) You most likely broke the local law, and company wanted to do CYA
      Mar 10
  • Grab tAGA81
    Sorry to hear that... your ex colleague is a snake to report you. They could tell you that you might get into the trouble because of it. Hopefully, karma will get them... i hope you’ll find a new job soon!
    Mar 105
    • Oath Hd7lNc2bK
      Yeah, snitches get stitches. People reporting unethical/illegal things? I hate them. I hope one day I can live in a world where that never happens. Then everyone can just do whatever they feel like :)
      Mar 10
    • Grab tAGA81
      What if you’re not aware that you’re doing something illegal? I’m sure she/he’d stop recording if they simply tell her/him that it’s unethical.

      I guess some of people lack of empathy. I’d feel bad if someone lost a job because of me. Especially that she/he wasn’t aware of doing something illegal.

      We’re not talking about a homicide, so i suggest to relax :)
      Mar 10
    • Oath Hd7lNc2bK
      Dagnabbit, I forgot to relax again, my bad man. I'm sorry. I hope we gucci now :)
      Mar 10
    • Amazon KHCr70
      I hope you never work at my company then. Secretly recording internal meetings is somthing that should be reported 100% of the time. Especially at a company like facebook.
      Mar 10
    • Grab tAGA81
      Don’t worry. I’ll never work in Amazon. I’ve heard too much about the culture :)
      Mar 10
  • Oath Hd7lNc2bK
    Posting on blind is definitely not gonna help with the depression
    Mar 100
  • Amazon Jеff Bezоs
    Cool story
    Mar 100
  • Amazon eIuY64
    Absolutely deserved to be fired. This is one of the more egregious things I have heard on this site. Recording people without their consent is unethical.
    Mar 101
    • Amazon KHCr70
      And illegal in many places
      Mar 10
  • Meetings at Amazon get recorded all the time, so that they can be watched by those who weren’t there. Always, though, the person doing this announces that it’s happening. I think that’s the piece you were missing. Recording someone talking, who is not a public figure in a public setting, is creepy.
    Mar 101
    • VMware pirsquare
      Recording with a company tool is different than recording with a personal device. Op could’ve been okay if he atleast used a company tool.
      Mar 10
  • Google iambackag
    If you are working in California, you should feel blessed they are not sending you to jail. Recording audio without consent is illegal in CA.
    Mar 101
    • United Wholesale Mortgage
      zpyM13

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      zpyM13more
      I know a DA in NorCal who may be able to figure out the details and see about criminal charges. I’ll follow up if they decide to pursue/tell me about it
      Mar 10
  • Intel bnhta
    OP you should have asked permission first. And never lie. That first lie to your manager was impossible to recover from - for one thing it shows a psychopathic willingness to throw your co-worker under the bus and accuse HIM of lying. Your co-worker who reported you did the right thing - he observed a security breach and he had to report it. Reading your diatribe "I could have kept lying and no one was able to prove it but I didn't", you came to your senses later but you should have arrived there the instant your manager confronted you. It's good that you came around but that first immediate lie to your manager did you in. You could have played dumb, confessed immediately and perhaps you'd still have your job today. Someone who resorts to LIES as an INITIAL IMMEDIATE response (your excuse of uprooting your world to move to the US is weak) does reveal a huge character flaw that would be impossible to overcome. I'm sorry you're suffering depression as a result of this incident but you will heal from this. Learn from this and don't repeat the defensive lying behavior because something else is bound to happen at work - people make mistakes ! Always fess up and apologize immediately.
    Mar 102
    • Are you for real??
      The poor guy got stressed and had to find what to say in the moment. You are overanalyzing
      Mar 10
    • Amazon KHCr70
      Lying is not a fireable offense, but secretly recording internal meetings definitely is
      Mar 10
  • Clover Health / Engdoenfh
    Sorry this happened to you, and yes, it’s grounds for termination.

    I highly suggest taking notes during meetings if you’re forgetting. I’m hoping you were doing this instead of recording your lectures in high school and (assuming) college.
    Mar 100
  • Aurora bystander!
    Facebook / Privacy — I see a missed irony here!
    Mar 101
  • Wish / Other
    qpZ:_:Zqp

    WishOther

    BIO
    I clean toilets. Pee Hach Tea 🍵
    qpZ:_:Zqpmore
    Chill out. Shit happens. You seem to have made an honest mistake. There will be worst mistakes in your life. You learn from them and move on. I’ve seen people get fired for trivial reasons sometimes even telling the truth. I don’t know why and I don’t care. Who cares? Why don’t you apply to other companies? Move on bruh.
    Mar 100
  • Honeywell that1guy
    Sounds like you were attending every meeting twice anyways
    Mar 100
  • Microsoft hellohibye
    I am sorry this happened to you. I guess you were not familiar with US laws and rules. Unfortunately there is nothing you can do about this. This is common sense for Americans but it may not be for the people especially from a country where rules are loosely enforced. Hope you become healthier and find a good job.
    Mar 100
  • New / Ops
    tooQ10

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    tooQ10more
    Recording class lectures and meetings for personal review later is absolutely understandable - doubly so if you're not a native speaker and can't process English at natural speed - but unfortunately corporations see only the potential complications of taking those recordings out of the office. Your slipup is understandable, but you should have asked for permission first.
    Mar 100
  • Gap / EngrandUser
    Damn y'all should just use zoom it tells everyone when it's being recorded
    Mar 100
  • Homeaway ppMg64
    Your mistake was recording meetings on a personal device and not informing the group that they were being recorded.

    These could have been conversations that talk about IP, about company decision making, its a huge breach of trust.

    I would have fired you as well. That sends a strong signal that this IS a fireable offense and you make the perfect example 👍😁
    Mar 100
  • Amazon pssst7
    It was very unfair to fire you for this. Were you educated in the Facebook bootcamp about this policy of recording?
    I highly recommend that you setup a consultation with an attorney and get their advise on this.
    I don't feel it is worth trying to figure out anything way to go back to Facebook after all this. But at-least work out with the attorney to negotiate a better deal financially
    Mar 104
    • Homeaway ppMg64
      Not everything needs to be covered during boot camp. What next teach people to use toilet paper in boot camp?

      It’s just common sense and the company was right to fire him. He may have survived this if he would not have lied to the manager. But because he lied, that sealed his fate.
      Mar 10
    • Google iambackag
      You are an idiot. Recording without the permission of all parties involved will land you to jail in CA. If OP lawyers up, they better get ready to be the toy of a big guy in a state prison.

      If FB can hint OP was doing industrial espionage for another country, OP can upgrade to a federal prison
      Mar 10
    • Microsoft hellohibye
      Psst7, You need to get familiar with US laws otherwise, you may post similar thing as OP.
      Mar 10
    • Google iambackag
      What country?
      Mar 10
  • You could have asked on blind before you decided anything at your investigation.
    Mar 101
    • New / Enguserrrrr
      OP
      I didn’t know about Blind then.
      Mar 10
  • New / Eng
    BogoSort

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    BogoSortmore
    You f*ed up bad.
    Mar 100
  • CenturyLink / Sales✌️✌️
    I am confident I’ve never met anyone who wouldn’t qualify as intermediately depressed.

    “Give it to me straight doc.”
    “Sir, I’m afraid your sort of sad. Sometimes.”
    Mar 100
  • Salesforce rcno01
    Yes, you spy
    Mar 100
  • Microsoft yesterda
    Why would you join companies like Facebook ? If you are stressed you don’t look for startups or high stress company like Facebook. There are many other good companies out there
    Mar 100
  • Western Digital xfcs35
    Recording meeting to replay them later is a waste of time. First time I hear somebody doing it. Recording presentations or all hands is often done. Learn your lesson, if you were able to get in FB you may be able to get into other places.
    Mar 100
  • Western Digital xfcs35
    How much time you worked there before been cut?
    Mar 102
    • New / Enguserrrrr
      OP
      It was during probation period.
      Mar 10
    • Microsoft hellohibye
      Is there a probation period? How long is it? We didn’t have such at Microsoft or others; hence curious
      Mar 10
  • Unity / Sales
    Krystal

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    Krystalmore
    The only thing you did wrong was admitting it to the investigation team. Stupid.
    Mar 101
    • Google iambackag
      That's sales ethics, op is an eng
      Mar 11
  • Uber DyJKbcf
    They should fire Zuckerberg for lying as well
    Mar 101
    • Oracle now@google
      He is constantly recording your every move without you knowing, but he is fine...
      Mar 10
  • Indeed CDwY37
    It’s dependent on the law of the country you are in. In some countries recording without consent is allowed and admissible in court
    Mar 100
  • Facebook / Eng
    FastFinger

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    FastFingermore
    Create a fake identity and apply again.
    Mar 110
  • Facebook hola12345
    Lol
    Mar 100
  • Expedia Kennewick
    I wonder what the company policy is. BlueJeans has the ability to record meeting audio. This might actually be illegal in Washington State because the law requires you to announce it every time someone joins the phone call.

    My employer has a policy that says something about the fact that they might record things in public areas (I forgot the exact wording).

    Point is: while it can come across as creepy, the biggest mistake was for OP to change his story. You should have stuck with the truth or doubled down on the lie.

    What you did was wrong but HR will never reward you for telling the truth when you’ve messed up.
    Mar 100
  • Barclays PLC bcch42
    I am curious to know that those people who are against lying have lied ever... Man, I feel that it is too harsh and he should have been given a warning
    Mar 100
  • Ness Technologies __|__
    Sorry you are depressed. If you can get into Facebook you can surely find another job. I think US laws are what make this country great. It’s illegal to record without permission on your private device. Just move on
    Mar 100
  • Western Union 30ssss
    The recording is absolutely wrong. People in the meeting should know that someone is going to analyze what they say word by word offline beforehand. Being said that, you are not guilty until proven wrong.
    Mar 100

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