First 3 days at amazon, manager has no idea what I am supposed to be doing

Amazon Faye
Sep 25 484 Comments

Just started at Amazon as an SDE 1 (new grad). NHO was toxic with the first speaker setting up a really weird atmosphere, and like wtf was that bingo game is this a college visit? First actual day manager showed me my desk and had me sit on a couple of meetings. Day 2 just sat around watching whatever videos I had to do in Embark. SDE bootcamp was full so had to push that to later. My whole team is not native english speakers, so I have to ask them to repeat things or just nod my head like I understand

Should I be worried? What the heck should I do tomorrow day 4 (ermm I mean day 1)? there is only so many videos on Broadcast that I can watch.

TC: 144.5k 108k/28 bonus / 5 relo / 3.5 stock

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TOP 484 Comments
  • Amazon umxL37
    I appreciate the detailed TC breakdown
    Sep 25 5
    • Amazon Faye
      OP
      haha thanks people on here always love their TC!
      Sep 25
    • New / Eng
      Psynaptic

      New Eng

      BIO
      Working on Brain Machine Interfaces
      Psynapticmore
      That was sarcasm, I think.
      Sep 25
    • AT&T MsdR32
      I thought it was nice, no sarcasm.
      Sep 25
    • Microsoft BornWrong
      I think it is sarcasm because he/she is now more identifiable.
      Sep 26
    • Wayfair / Eng tAcq10
      Honestly just delete everything else and this will be a good post.
      Sep 27
  • Amazon zkQh76
    Masters degree?
    Sep 25 10
    • Amazon / Eng
      xlex

      Amazon Eng

      PRE
      Amazon, IBM
      xlexmore
      What was your New hire offer AMZNBucks? Mine was hired without a master's as well but that's also helped by the stocks hypergrowth when I started.
      Sep 26
    • Apple tutifruity
      Bachelors with 0yoe 100k+ base and 28k bonus and you’re complaining. Gtfo OP
      Sep 26
    • eBay usbahsiwb
      Come on guys! S/He is not complaining, let’s motivate a new hire. TC doesn’t matter even though s/he is in top 99%ile TC for a fresh grad.
      Sep 26
    • Google / Mgmt
      Ex Amazon

      Google Mgmt

      PRE
      Amazon
      Ex Amazonmore
      No onsite???!!
      Sep 26
    • Amazon / Eng
      45b16

      Amazon Eng

      BIO
      SDE Intern at Amazon NYC, UT Austin '20
      45b16more
      AMZNBucks what was your TC? New grad offer for Amazon is standard and non-negotiable.
      Sep 28
  • Capital One checers
    Looks like you got the wrong attitude and that means only one thing, you’re destined to fail.
    So you expect to only work with NATIVE SPEAKERS?? Lol
    Sep 25 7
    • Amazon WUQj68
      Most people at Amazon can barely speak English.
      Sep 26
    • Amazon zAUt44
      Especially the Americans
      Sep 26
    • Amazon / Data
      aiapaec

      Amazon Data

      PRE
      Slalom Consulting
      aiapaecmore
      Cos Americans speak American
      Sep 26
    • Intel / Eng
      an_cwi

      Intel Eng

      PRE
      Esurance, Allstate Financial Services, LLC
      an_cwimore
      Its just been 3 days, if u get too much work in 3 days, I would worry.
      Have weekly 1:1 with manager
      And you need to change your attitude regarding other team members if u want to succeed in corporate world
      Sep 26
    • Splunk TheBackend
      Here’s the attitude I adopt: because I’m a native speaker of English, I can understand heavily-accented non-native speakers well enough to interact and seek clarification.

      That gives me an advantage as an intermediary for diverse teams where people came from different language backgrounds. If you think it’s difficult to understand a heavy accent, I assure you it’s far more difficult for a non-native speaker to understand the range of accents a typical team has. And remote working by video makes it even harder.

      You’ll do fine.
      Sep 27
  • Booz Allen Hamilton oXt88
    You're a recent college grad who is making six figures straight out of college. I have 5 years experience in IT with a masters in cyber and still not at six figures yet. Work my ass off as a data engineer and underpaid. Talk about entitled bro. I applied at Amazon and didn't get in. And I've been applying several times ever since with no luck. Consider yourself very lucky and take initiative. Otherwise it won't last for you. Any other blinders here from @Amazon I could really use a reference. Masters in Cyber security, US citizen with TS clearance. I can take this guy's job since he's ungrateful.
    Sep 26 12
    • Apple / Eng
      40two

      Apple Eng

      PRE
      Siemens, Microsoft
      BIO
      Senior at NC State looking for full-time SWE roles after graduation, May 2019
      40twomore
      I think one has to understand that he was expecting a challenge at Amazon. Being bored on your job is worse than being overworked or underpaid, in my opinion. People at amazon work hard and when recent grads like me join big corporations like those, we really appreciate to hit the ground running.
      Sep 26
    • Numerator iEPh43
      My company is hiring engineers in security this year. Lmk if you want to chat
      Sep 27
    • Bloomberg real_dawg
      Get better idiot.
      Sep 27
    • Atlassian d@t_person
      There are much better places that would pay you really well if you are as good a DE as you make it seem.
      Sep 27
    • Amazon @citizen
      Do you know AWS Security services?
      DM me
      Sep 27
  • Amazon iHoB40
    Be biased for action, setup a 1:1 with your manager and ask for a launch plan. Also, there is no need to have such ego and be mean and judgemental. Develop some EQ, it's much necessary.
    Sep 25 0
  • Verizon Media Atinlay6
    🙄 ffs
    Sep 25 5
    • Amazon bay-zohs
      Frustration free setup? 😂
      Sep 26
    • Flagged by the community.

    • Morgan Stanley
      summer_gen

      Morgan Stanley

      PRE
      Microsoft
      summer_genmore
      French fricadelles soup
      Sep 26
    • New / Cust. Srv. Peezy
      For f**k sake?
      Sep 27
    • Microsoft rose84
      There are people at Amazon today who had an experience like you. Maybe their manager or skips have since left or been fired, but some of those new hires figured it out and have $3M in the bank ten years later. Find your value.
      Sep 27
  • Amazon luckless
    Set up dev desktop
    Figure out your team’s pipelines
    Check out all the workspaces
    Read the team on board wiki
    Get projects running and set up dev env
    Look at the SIMs (oe and backlog)
    Figure out a SIM to take up and fix
    Set up pager
    Read on call docs
    Look over outstanding TTs
    ...
    Come back when you’re done

    This ain’t college anymore, no one is gonna hold your hand in the real world and tell you exactly what to do.
    Sep 26 11
    • Walmart impk46
      Who told they hold your hand in college?
      Sep 26
    • Google imagdragon
      wtf Amazon is the crappiest of all companies for this very reason trying to justify bullshit by talking leadership principles. Proper on boarding activities like sharing background about the business aspects, general direction, vision for the coming quarters etc are needed for any new member irrespective of their level. You think these are hand holding then you may be indirectly contributing to the terrible culture. I would let go people like you and just not hire at all in the first place.
      Sep 26
    • Amazon luckless
      No one “told” me, just personal experience. Even doing my thesis was more hand holding than industry experience since then.

      All about self motivation and finding how to help. Ask as many questions as you need to figure that out, no one is going to ding you for asking questions.
      Sep 26
    • Amazon luckless
      Not mentioning any LPs, just gave 10 points of advice on what to do over the next few weeks sorry if that triggered you Google.
      Sep 26
    • Capco dmodemd
      BTW, stuff is documented for a reason and this is one of them. RTFM.
      8h
  • Nordstrom
    dheh

    Nordstrom

    PRE
    Amazon
    dhehmore
    You are in tech and complaining that your team is not a native english speakers?? Go work in domestic beef farming and not some international industry. You do know many people who do not speak English natively have many things to teach you, like how to be less racist.
    Sep 26 13
    • Amazon sage-maker
      @Apple- Definition of racism - 'the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race' In this case language is the characteristic.

      You sampling something based on your 'tiny' experience is the exact definition of racism. I have had excellent colleagues who are from China. Not everyone gets hired because of nepotism. Learn to appreciate the true talent. The OP here is complaining just after 3 days and u r supporting him?
      Sep 26
    • New buxut
      Well, first of all, I'm not a native speaker.
      Second if I had to work in any other countries mentioned in the comments, I would've measure my chances of learning that language and then move to the country.
      Third the official language is English (US English) please learn it.
      I'm still learning, so the other non speakers should do too.
      About the person who posted, he's a new grad with probably no experience, that explains everything.
      Sep 26
    • New / R&D Mdk25
      Apple is full of shit.
      If his entire team was incompetent, they would have been sacked long ago.
      They fact they they're still working (and hired his sorry ass) just comes to show they're obviously compensation and know what they're doing.
      He's just butthurt he's the only one who doesn't speak Chinese.

      Disclaimer: I'm not Asian and can't speak Chinese either.
      Sep 26
    • Groupon hdhiebd
      Apple - knock it off! Amazon op - Learn and build your own stuff. You will soon get work or LE
      Sep 27
    • Mount Sinai / IT bstE12
      I see more racist and judgmental opinions from respondents than OP. The newbie is being expected to engage while the efforts should be reciprocal. Examples of bad management abound.
      Sep 28
  • Flagged by the community.

    • Rackspace srart
      It's not that the whole team isn't native, it's he's the only native. Coming from somewhere without the experience, learning how to filter past the accent is a skill that he has to develop, and it does make it harder for a brand new guy.
      This kind of shit attitude is why people turn down jobs at Amazon. The kids just don't know any better.
      Sep 26
    • RackWare WdGfe4
      Wow, why so salty? He's just a college kid.
      Sep 26
    • Scientific Technologies Corporat / IT psilocybic
      too bad Amazon HR isn't seeing this. oh, wait...
      Sep 26
    • New / Ops
      BpLW86

      New Ops

      BIO
      LF work in DevOps / SRE. https://repher.me/r/-LoYDI397QSTDPQ_AXnQ
      BpLW86more
      The Indians my startup hired are a sack of complete useless shit. So, I don’t see the joy in non-Native English devs.
      Sep 26
    • T-Mobile nsjna12
      Probably your start up couldn’t hire the best ones AMOF
      Sep 27
  • Morgan Stanley
    summer_gen

    Morgan Stanley

    PRE
    Microsoft
    summer_genmore
    Call me old school but I think 145k is way too much as for a guy who can't solve "what should I do next" problem without the internet
    Sep 26 0
  • IBM / Eng LikesSpam
    Boo fucking hoo. Call your mommy and have her send you some breast milk.
    Sep 26 1
  • Microsoft znJf21
    I really don't understand why new grads these days are so high maintenance. Just look around you and instead of judging your colleagues' accent see if you can HELP THEM with something. This is not high school, snowflake, get your shit together.
    Sep 26 2
    • Affirm diets
      Because undergrad, especially for CS, is incredibly formulaic. They say exactly what classes to take and when, and the classes say exactly what homework and projects to do and when. Plus interviewing is also a matter of a formula for leetcoding, etc.
      Sep 26
    • Affirm diets
      And of course HS and college apps before that were even more so. So these kids have never experienced even the slightest bit of an open-ended environment.
      Sep 26
  • Amazon lUYG55
    So you are done with all the 101 ee trainings and ready for on call and shit ? Can you write code and guarantee that its production safe ?

    I do not understand why you are making such a deal on day 3. You should be thankful for your manager being so considerate on you .

    Once the real work starts , you will not have time to wipe your ass 😂😂
    Sep 26 2
    • Amazon / Other BePeculiar
      This is true and quite normal. Depending on the team, you get anywhere from 30-90 days to truly get acclimated rather than getting thrown in to the pit. You should use this time to learn about how we operate by reading lots of wikis, watching videos, scheduling meetings with others to learn their perspective. As, IUYG5S says, once the work starts the expectations will be high so use this time to build a solid foundation for your role. Most places don't offer this onboarding period with this level of structure so be thankful.
      Sep 26
    • Amazon Faye
      OP
      Thanks for the advice!
      Sep 27
  • Google / Eng
    sqrt(-1)

    Google Eng

    BIO
    Top Contributor or GTFO
    sqrt(-1)more
    Use your free time to write a manifesto about diversity in tech.
    Sep 26 4
    • Expedia Group / R&D
      kingofnot

      Expedia Group R&D

      PRE
      NASA
      kingofnotmore
      Omg I spit out my soda, good job.
      Sep 26
    • eBay / Eng
      mDBW53

      eBay Eng

      PRE
      NVIDIA
      mDBW53more
      Or learn a new language.
      Sep 26
    • Intuit 555734
      yeah learn a new language so you can impress your friends when you order lunch in the cafe
      Sep 26
    • Amazon Faye
      OP
      Here is a medal
      Sep 27
  • Amazon xvekeoab
    Oh boy with this attitude you are going to get f**ked left and right by not native speaker managers.
    Sep 26 0
  • Lyft mnLj32
    If you're complaining in your first week like this, you might find yourself fired before 2020.

    Change your philosophy, take ownership and find out where you can help/contribute. Talk to your teammates and ask them what they are doing. Find out what they did during their first week and on their first days. This is a great opportunity for you to demonstrate some initiative. Managers, we look at and for those that know how to self manage. Now if you have a shit manager, sorry bud. Either way, take control of your future.
    Sep 26 3
    • General Assembly / Product Jdec75
      +1

      Also it'll take time but you'll tune in to the non native speakers. Spend time with your team out of work and try repeating back what you think you heard until you adjust to their accent
      Sep 26
    • T-Mobile Spankasaur
      That is such a cop-out to actually doing your job as a manager. Desiring initiative is one thing, but most people need leadership and guidance.
      Sep 26
    • Amazon Faye
      OP
      I tried this, and my coworker wouldn't even let me look at his screen. We did go out to get lunch tho
      Sep 27
  • Scientific Technologies Corporat / IT psilocybic
    it's cute how so many people (esp non-FAANG) are shitting on OP for being "entitle" for wanting things to work on and contribute toward at his/her job.

    OP: these people are probably jealous of a new grad in FAANG and clearly have nothing better to do with their evening/life than berate you for calling out very common bullshit in the corporate world. Tons of wasted time, money, resources, etc. Welcome to corporate america. you have the baby boomers to thank for this.

    Relax, make friends, ask questions, identify high performers, learn from them. None of this will happen tomorrow however, be patient.
    Sep 26 10
    • Akamai Technologies lifeuno
      It might not be easy but to survive PIP in amazon !
      Sep 26
    • Scientific Technologies Corporat / IT psilocybic
      I bet the Macy's/Nordstrom interview process is grueling.
      Sep 26
    • Microsoft __Ranveer
      Who is his dad?
      Sep 26
    • Scientific Technologies Corporat / IT psilocybic
      @lifeuno, weren't you complaining earlier in the post how "people like this get such opportunities"? but that's not jealousy, right?
      Sep 26
    • Adobe jjjx12
      I agree that it's jealousy, if not straight up racism towards OP
      Sep 27
  • Facebook / Eng
    foggydesi

    Facebook Eng

    BIO
    previously worked at startups and eng leadership at fortune 50 companies, Google & now at FB
    foggydesimore
    C'mon people he/she is a new grad ...cut him/her some slack.

    Ok Faye, as you can see a pattern is emerging in the comments learn from it and try not to come across that way in real life.

    Enjoy this time. Ask good questions. Try to be helpful, read documentation, learn some new skills , shadow someone slightly senior than you and ask for a task ... Rinse repeat.

    Setup some time with your manager and talk about an onboarding plan.

    Don't stress! Explore the campus ...talk to people and make some new friends
    Sep 26 4
    • Lyft la_croix
      Well said.
      Sep 26
    • Amazon jaq
      Or just go to your Principal Engineer and tell him “Dude, this place is boring and full of useless fucks. How are we both supposed to stay here for much longer?”
      Sep 26
    • Facebook / Eng
      foggydesi

      Facebook Eng

      BIO
      previously worked at startups and eng leadership at fortune 50 companies, Google & now at FB
      foggydesimore
      Find your own cohort of like minded people outside your team ... Get in with a lunch/happy hour crowd ... they will be your rock in times of stress ...
      Sep 26
    • Nimble Collective / Eng
      hirorir

      Nimble Collective Eng

      PRE
      Nimble Collective
      hirorirmore
      Lmao @jaq. I should do that
      Sep 26
  • Amazon badonka
    With that attitude and entitlement (specially about not native English speakers) you’re heading towards PIP zone. I hope your ass gets fired soon.
    Sep 26 13
    • If it is such a top company then it should have an onboarding list and training for managers who will be getting new grads. They need more handholding, it shouldn’t come as a surprise. Certainly not for a Top Company.
      Sep 27
    • Amazon badonka
      They have all of that anyways. You freaking nerds get too intense on this shit. Go to the real world for once and stop with your first world problems.
      Sep 29
    • You should want 1st world problems.
      I don’t know why you’d want 3rd world problems.
      And if you work for Amazon but are still experiencing 3rd world problems then you need to re-evaluate a ton of the decisions you’ve made in your life.
      Sep 29
    • Amazon badonka
      😂😂😂 “need to re-evaluate a ton of the decisions you’ve made in your life” hahahaha shut up, freak
      Sep 29
    • Amazon motard
      Absolutely no one at Amazon corporate experiences third world problems. The fuck are you on about? 😂

      badonka was pointing out how dumb the complaints are because half of them aren't valid in the first place, and the rest are super petty (everything you mentioned already exists).

      But I totally get why you asked how the OP is entitled, cuz you might be even worse there Google.
      Oct 2
  • Facebook pVfT53
    but seriously in this case, take ownership of the situation and start relationship building across your team. ask about the general onboarding process and advice around who go prioritize connecting with. if you don’t have a 90 day plan, start building one and use your 1:1 time to confirm/get feedback. that way you at least have a track record of being proactive. good luck!
    Sep 26 5
    • Facebook pVfT53
      also instead of looking to your team of non native English speaking coworkers as difficult to understand - challenge yourself to index on empathy here. ask for clarification if you need to. nods will only get you so far before you’re overwhelmed with confusion.

      it is truly a privilege to work in tech. try not to lose sight of this.
      Sep 26
    • Google / Eng ogc
      Wise
      Sep 26
    • Salesforce DBlindGuy
      This
      Sep 26
    • Microsoft rubaduba
      Well said
      Sep 26
    • Amazon Faye
      OP
      Thanks for this.
      Sep 27

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