Fixing homelessness

Intel pFVD84
Jun 7 82 Comments

Wouldn’t it make housing a lot more affordable and help eliminate homelessness if we deported all the illegal immigrants in California? There’s 130,000 homeless and 2 million undocumented immigrants.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/05/us/los-angeles-homeless-population.html

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  • Uber domin8
    Actually, homeless are not the people, who can't afford to live in San Francisco. Homeless are mentally ill and addicted patients dumped by other states and municipalities. Other states, destroy their education and medical systems and do nothing to care about these people.
    So everybody are coming here for the weather and begging opportunities.
    Since it's cross state problem, feds have to fix this. Yet feds are pleasuring themselves by destroying families of contributing residents.
    Stop blaming immigrants for Republican stupidity and Feds inaction.
    Jun 7 27
    • Uber 三体
      Actually, there is no governing law now. The laws were not enforced. Feds screwed up. Now it's up to the Congress to pass an immigration reform.
      Jun 8
    • Intel pakajdj88
      There are immigration laws. Like all laws, they should be enforced.
      Jun 9
    • Uber 三体
      But the fact of life that they were not. It created they situation, which the original laws did not cover.
      Jun 9
    • Intel pakajdj88
      There’s a high correlation between the highest functioning societies and the rule of law.

      Agreed Congress needs to pass legislation.
      Jun 9
    • Uber 三体
      Indeed. The situation is pretty dysfunctional. Long term productive residents need to get legal status.
      The newcomers need to be handled legally and swiftly. Criminals should be deported swiftly.
      Jun 9
  • Amazon / Eng ewjX55
    This thread is so fuked up in so many ways
    Jun 7 22
    • Intel pakajdj88
      Any other irrelevant data? The point is that if you subtract two million people, housing will be more affordable for the homeless.
      Jun 11
    • Amazon / Eng ewjX55
      Lol
      Jun 11
    • New / Eng hhhjhhh
      @Intel is still struggling
      Jun 11
    • Intel pakajdj88
      Not with economic theory.
      Jun 11
    • New / Eng hhhjhhh
      Lol
      Jun 12
  • Zillow Group >>>
    You must be a stable genius
    Jun 7 0
  • New / Finance MWSt70
    Stop letting people shoot up IV drugs on the streets with 0 consequence or incentive to get treatment.
    Jun 7 6
    • New / Finance MWSt70
      Explain? California voters passed Prop 36, which allowed the courts to drop jail time in exchange for individuals accepting treatment. Why is this a bad idea?
      Jun 7
    • Intel D’s🥜
      Prop 36 sounds like it will save a lot of taxpayer money. Getting people out of 2-7year sentences costing ~50k/year in lieu of 3-6 months of treatment at probably a 50k-75k price tag.
      Jun 7
    • Uber / Eng mH7bSe
      Why do you have prison at all. Just free everyone in prison and save huge.
      Forget about the treatment. That way saves more.
      Jun 7
    • Intel D’s🥜
      Well that’s sort of the current state of affairs in SF / Seattle / LA which is actually introducing new diseases to the population - that’s bad according to the government. I would say that everybody agrees homelessness is a problem.

      Will prisons accomplish the mission of fixing a long term problem as new homeless people join that population?

      Will mental health / addiction treatment accomplish the mission of fixing a long term problem as new homeless people join that population?

      I’ll admit my bias - I don’t believe prisons do anything. There is no data to back that it reforms murderers, rapists, terrorists, thieves, drug users, child abusers, white collar criminals, etc. If these people continue their actions, why pay for their keep and then release them? If we extend the law to say that if you’re too poor to be allowed to sh*t in a Starbucks and there aren’t public restrooms, is it illegal to be poor? Will prison make them afford Starbucks sh*ts?
      Jun 7
    • Intel pFVD84
      OP
      Prisons keep me safer. Pretty good correlation that when we started locking up a couple extra % of the population, crime dropped by 50%.
      Jun 7
  • New / Eng hellllooo
    Fixing homelessness by evicting and deporting people from their homes.
    Jun 7 3
    • Intel pFVD84
      OP
      Correct. Murderers are also evicted and deported, except to jail instead of Mexico.
      Jun 7
    • New / Eng hellllooo
      That's the same. Good analogy. You're very smart.
      Jun 7
    • Intel D’s🥜
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      Jun 7
  • Amazon Coatl
    As a Mexican I have never understood how come people can come to the US, with no money and at most a couple of changes in clothes (as what they mostly put on their backpacks is food and water to walk on the desert), without speaking english, and sometimes without knowing anyone on the US or no formal education, and yet be able to find work and make enough money to send back to the families they left behind. Yet people born, educated and raised here, with (I would presume) a lot more connections and better understanding of what it takes to make a living here, are ending on the streets.

    This tells me 2 things:

    1) There are factors other than economical hardships that are more relevant to homelessness in America.

    2) Even acknowledgin the sample bias (people willing to risk dying walking on the desert to come to the US are usually highly motivated) there are support mechanisms (either formal or informal) that benefit the recent immigrants but not the homeless, likely because of whatever is going on in 1)
    Jun 7 1
    • Uber domin8
      You don't realize that Americans are temporary inconvenienced millionaires, who have a birthright to a middle class job. If it's not immediately available for them, it's immigrants fault.
      Jun 7
  • Dell / Eng
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    Jun 7 2
    • New / Finance MWSt70
      Great, free $500,000+ private studios for everyone in California, the most expensive housing market in America. That makes sense.
      Jun 8
    • New / Eng hhhjhhh
      The article literally expains why it makes sense.
      Jun 8
  • Twitter Oomnj
    Is it because of the libs?
    Jun 7 0
  • Intel tu_madre
    Like Joe Rogan says, give them a one-way ticket to Hawaii on a 737 MAX.
    Jun 7 9
  • Pinterest 胡锦涛
    Welcome to California
    Jun 7 0
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    Jun 7 0
  • Apple public2.
    No, because then we won’t have a monitory to victimize.
    Jun 7 0