F**k the visa system! Indians deserve better

Cerner halooooooo
Aug 11, 2018 74 Comments

We’re the only ppl who need to wait for GC for over 100 years probably. We’re modern slaves. They just make us work and pay taxes, but don’t give us any social benefits. Many US companies succeeded because of Indian engineers. Boeing/GE/Microsoft/Google/Amazon/Facebook and etc. Look how we are treated. It is unfair! Change is needed!

Edited: the system is designed to limit ppl of colors coming into the country. White ppl are indeed racists

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  • Facebook jKne44
    Dude, how about making SOME OF your compatriots stop cheating in H1B lottery first?You know exactly what I am talking about… And these people who cheated are the reason why you need to wait for that long…
    BTW, SOME of your compatriots should change their behavior, talk less, code more, and stop backstabbing your colleagues…

    I just want to speak the truth. I know many productive and nice Indians, and I enjoy working with them. Those terrible people I mentioned above have destoryed Amazon Alexa, the team I was previously in, and your reputation, big time.
    Aug 11, 2018 7
    • Microsoft / Eng kkjgccc
      wow someone speaking truth!
      Aug 11, 2018
    • Sorry man we Indians suck!
      Aug 11, 2018
    • Facebook jKne44
      No, you guys don't suck, I am just pointing at some of terrible people among you guys.
      Aug 11, 2018
    • Google edit
      Have you thought about the possibility that crappy folks exist in all races?
      Aug 11, 2018
    • Facebook jKne44
      Yes I tried to think that way. Shitty people exist in all races; however, I can't keep myself from thinking that there is a higher chance of getting backstabbed when dealing with people of a certain race. I am not judging a certain group of people, I just want to protect myself. I believe you also don't want someone to claim your work as his in team meeting right?
      Aug 11, 2018
    • Expedia / Eng anony🐭
      That's cheap and fucked up. The right way to handle this is to correct or challenge the claim right there. If that wasn't possible, take a big chunk of work and just do it. Ensure you're not near-anony🐭ly contributing. Your manager needs to know.
      Aug 11, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng kkjgccc
      Negative. If management can’t sort it out and have employees fight themselves the system is fuked up. I don’t care if it’s fb or fang, change team or gtfo immediately!!!
      Aug 12, 2018
  • LinkedIn LinkedIn ⭐
    Then why the fuck don't we go to some other country?

    That's right the TC is too much even with all the other restrictions. The poor FANG slaves!

    STFU or do something to stop other Indians from cheating the system.
    Aug 11, 2018 0
  • Epic / Eng
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    It's all the perspective with which we look at it. H1B is a temporary visa program. Them giving GCs is just a bonus. Getting it means it's good, otherwise we just pack our bags and leave. Looking at it this way reduces stress and anxiety. GC processing is just a way for us to work here as long as we want.

    On the other hand, they don't treat us as their people (citizens), and so I don't treat this country as mine (for now). Instead of buying house/investing in things that provides employment locally to someone, I keep everything invested in liquid assets and accrue my net worth. The day they say that we won't give anymore GCs, I will just say f*** you, take all my money, and leave.
    Aug 11, 2018 1
    • Amazon / Eng Mfucker
      👋
      Aug 11, 2018
  • Cisco / Eng stoicism
    You aren’t entitled to come to the US man
    Aug 11, 2018 0
  • Follett / Mgmt GvAv03
    While you're at it, clean up all the garbage you leave at my apartment complex. This isn't Mumbai.
    Aug 11, 2018 0
  • Google / Eng rPMq81
    This is ridiculous. The US owes us nothing. Just the same way you owe the US nothing. I am here because it’s currently beneficial for me. I will leave when it is not so. Quit whining like a little bitch
    Aug 11, 2018 0
  • Microsoft Udisn
    Try deodorant. Works wonders.
    Aug 11, 2018 3
    • Amazon / Ops
      Insomzonia

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      I’m the reason you’re here.
      Insomzoniamore
      Whoa! Baby steps. Try soap first and revert back.
      Aug 11, 2018
    • Oracle Pearman
      Some Americans smell even terrible , don’t think it’s a country or racial thing ... its difficult to generalize
      Aug 11, 2018
    • Expedia / Eng anony🐭
      Racist much? But I do understand where you're coming from. Many of us aren't aware of some grooming basics. That said, most Indians never skip showering in the morning. Also, we have the cleanest asses. You can kiss my ass, knowing it's extremely clean, and I'll do the needful for your promotion. Dear.
      Aug 11, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng 6’ !Indian
    You don’t know what slavery is. Have empathy for people in worse circumstances:
    https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/series/modern-day-slavery-in-focus+world/qatar
    Aug 11, 2018 0
  • Amazon 199991
    I’m
    Indian -there is really nothing stopping you from leaving .This is not our country .Their country their rules .
    Also there are just too many Indians working on H1 -50% of whom would not have got jobs without these shady ass consultancies
    Aug 11, 2018 0
  • Intel / Mktg nononsense
    I don't get this. You are paid well. You get huge benefits from taxes - schools, roads, security and safety, parks and recreation...

    I don't understand how this is so offensive to you?
    Aug 11, 2018 2
    • Apple Hfgdj
      Sorry but immigrants don’t get any benefit. No social security (which we pay into), no Medicare (which we also pay into), no control over govt though voting (which we pay HUGE chunks too). People are paid to do their jobs and outside of the FANG utopia, most of these engineers are underpaid for the work they do. They come because they want to provide for their familiar and live with hard work and dignity. But they pay a pretty hefty price for it.
      Aug 11, 2018
    • New ELAS86
      Tough. Leave while you still can.
      Aug 11, 2018
  • Apple HRG
    Why don’t good Indian engineers return home or move to a place where they are not treated ‘unfairly’?
    Aug 11, 2018 0
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    • Palantir Chococo
      Lol this SAP dude is pretending to be Chinese. Pretty sure one character in there is actually Japanese and the rest is jibberish.
      Aug 12, 2018
    • Oracle
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      lol, all i need to say is that your brain is full of shit so u can understand this shit.
      Aug 12, 2018
    • Oracle
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      shit is not creative, i know asshole like u dont understand
      Aug 12, 2018
  • Microsoft mstomania
    Indians and the US are like best fuck buddies. They just have sex, get benefits from each other but never give any commitment. It's a good deal and win win, bro.
    Aug 11, 2018 1
    • Cisco / Eng stoicism
      Hahaha this is accurate and hilarious
      Aug 12, 2018
  • stay in your country and make it great again
    Aug 11, 2018 0
  • Apple Hfgdj
    The responses here are a real poor display of empathy. I don’t think the system is fair. Ultimately though the long term solution is to move the jobs where the talent is. So move these jobs out to India or another hub and build that up. I think once Indians really stop tolerating the unfairness that might happen. Or new talent hubs will emerge internationally . With the attitude of some Americans (or immigrants who got their GC/ citizenship and now pretend they were never an immigrant), it’s about time talent stopped wasting its time here.
    Aug 11, 2018 1
    • Research Now / Eng Arschloch
      Yes. Other races waste no time in pouring their hatred when they see such threads. The problem with golden handcuffs is that the person puts them on by themselves. In the end it’s a prison but the one you entered on your own. Most clever form of exploitation
      Aug 11, 2018
  • Qualcomm / Eng $/#
    It will be changed only if it benefits USA. Not because you deserve due to whatever formula you have in mind. Until then, these are the terms of business. You can choose alternatives.
    Aug 11, 2018 0
  • Tesla / Eng so kool
    How do they *make* us work? We’re free to stay home or go to some other country.
    Aug 11, 2018 1
    • NetApp OfWq48
      OP mentioned "US make us work and pay taxes"
      how could America do this? oh the horror.
      Aug 11, 2018
  • Google topCon
    I actually agree with op. Native Americans have been taking advantage of for far too long. Their people have been slaughtered and lands taken from them. Each Native American should be given 500 TC from a FAANG company to make up for this injustice.
    Aug 12, 2018 0
  • Medallia qpmp07
    Why didn’t you go for a PhD or something that serves as enough evidence that you are worth accelerating the GC process? Cuz right now, comparing your situation with slavery tells me you aren’t worth horse shite let alone GC. Dude, what the fuck is underpaid? If you couldn’t negotiate an offer n got low balled don’t fucking generalize it. If your friends couldn’t do the same and are making peanuts, same, do not fucking generalize. I can bet you must be one of douchebags who thinks he is smart just because where he is from or who somewhere heard Americans need Indians to prosper and tries to downplay others in your team. Honestly, every single one of my friends all below 30 are making over 50 Lakhs an year working in tech in INDIA! The bullshit that you cannot make money there or you gotta support family, thats why you are in the US just won’t cut through. You could move back to motherland and live without Gc worries. But you won’t. Why? Two reasons, its easy money here. Yep it is. You could be a shitass engineer and still make 6 figures in the bay area. Not going to happen in India. Secondly, you love showing off your cheap Armani “Exchange” cologne or that coach wallet which your wife bought from Ross to the rest of the people there. So stfu and gtfo if you feel like a slave and prove that you are not.
    Aug 11, 2018 0
  • Bloomberg beetMeiste
    Saturday night rant
    Aug 11, 2018 0
  • New ELAS86
    This is a friendly reminder your shithole country was conquered by the FAANG of its day. Not a standing army of a sovereign nation. A company. Dalits.
    Aug 11, 2018 3
    • Google edit
      Every country has had it's great and terrible days. And yes, there will be idiots and smart people everywhere. There will be majority mediocrity. Unless you can see through this, you will seethe in hatred, just like the op above. 🙂 Peace!
      Aug 12, 2018
    • New ELAS86
      Facts aren’t racist. You were conquered by a few thousand Brits.
      Aug 12, 2018
    • Google edit
      You do know what the European folks were doing when there was a thriving civilization in India few thousand years ago? They were savages who were hunting. But that doesn't tell anything. My suggestion to you would be don't dwelve into history and waste your time. There are clueless Indians who will thump their chest saying we were the greatest civilization, without running water in their houses. That is as much useless as what you are saying.
      Aug 12, 2018
  • Google edit
    Hi Cerner - what have you done to fix your problems? - especially since this issue bothers you so much.
    Aug 11, 2018 1
    • Google edit
      Here is the reason why I asked you this question - we have so many folks who will complain, but when it is time to fly to DC to talk to reps, everyone has more important pani Puri parties to attend. We are great keyboard warriors, but we rarely actually do anything for our cause (to be clear - includes me).

      Political system won't change for you. It is like molasses. You have to take effort to change. 'Someone else will do - I don't have to do' - is our attitude.

      Daca is in rocks, but majority in the hill is okay to pass - mainly because of their advocacy. Deep pockets - lots of congressional offices behind the cause. Oh and DACA kids are non citizens just like you. They have no special previleges. However, their awareness of the system and ability to navigate is impressive.

      This article sums up how well advocacy funded daca is:
      https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/26/14398660/trump-daca-dreamers

      Folks on the hill care because they have been well oiled by lobbyist to sing the way daca kids want - not because one day someone woke up and thought this is a great idea to do. Daca advocacy has been going on for 17 years - no kidding. They haven't got anything yet. But they didn't give up. They continued to push when things didn't go their way. At this point, they are reasonably on autopilot, because of all the advocacy they have done. Even so, every day - a bunch of DACA folks show up in Hill knocking congressional offices and Senate offices seeking support. (How do I know? I was in DC several months back and I saw some DACA kids in Rayburn office. I asked them how often they come and they said everyday we have some folks come from different parts of the country).

      In the last RNC - there were close to 1000 DACA receipents who attended. There were less than a million who received DACA EAD - indicates 0.1% of them are politically active enough to attend an event in person.

      H1 folks usually have this argument that I can't vote, why would they hear me - also falls flat. Daca kids infact aren't even legal on paper and often have a family member who could be deported anytime. If anything they should be 100 times more scared and they show up in every political event.

      Folks on h1 won't bother contributing donations - forget about flying to DC. And of course there is one group that blindly follows lawyers and goes around spewing wrong info about the bill (392). This hurts the cause.

      Another bunch is a branch of itserve, the same bunch of crony consultant companies. These were the same folks about whom there were leaked videos of them worried about i140 EAD taking away the leverage they have with employees. These are also folks who go around saying 392 won't help and promise a pie in the sky that serves to undermine the cause.

      To be honest, there is only one group (IV) that does this advocacy and they only focus on one thing (hr392) for a good reason - nothing gets done if you don't have focus.

      It's easy to be naysayer in Hill and be right , the system optimizes for status quo.


      We of course always have crazies like the op who will keep shouting at the top of their voice, without doing anything. When folks complain like the op - it sounds both like privileged assholes and like tantrum toddlers.
      Aug 12, 2018
  • Oracle Kuberneto
    North Korea - the next Silicon Valley! Let’s go there . I heard Kim kardashian or someone with same name is president there. Great place to work and multiply.
    Aug 11, 2018 1
    • Research Now / Eng Arschloch
      We all can eat dogs and snakes and have the poorest oral hygiene in the entire world.
      Aug 11, 2018
  • Oracle Kuberneto
    Before you complain of USA think of the system in India. It’s laughable, Corrupt, Inefficient, biased, racist and more. Not meaning to be mean - it’s truth and I have gone through it.
    Aug 11, 2018 0
  • New ELAS86
    Go back. We’ll supply the case of deodorant at no cost.
    Aug 11, 2018 0
  • Expedia qpmz
    Yes, we indians deserve better. But, corrupted politicians in our country are barrier for our country's progress and we have to flew to other country to have better life.

    I see the bigger problem here is with our country's state than US policies.
    Aug 12, 2018 1
    • Google edit
      We don't deserve anything unless we work for it. If you think this issue is important, go join an advocacy group that pushes to fix this problem. Unless you ask for help where it matters, you won't get anything.
      Aug 12, 2018
  • Tesla fremonster
    Simon Go Back!
    Aug 11, 2018 1
    • Expedia / Eng
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      xaRE06more
      Ayyyyy! Comment is underrated.
      Aug 12, 2018
  • NetApp OfWq48
    You just have to wait like everybody else. It took my parents years to immigrate here, so frekin chill, man. Also, many US companies didnt succeed because of indian engineers -- they succeeded because of americans. You're so entitled, check yourself. You mentioned modern slavery. what you mentioned isnt slavery. I attended this International Justice Mission conference in east coast back in 2016. There are around 40 million slaves rn and India has the most with 18.4 million. Men, women, children held as forced labor slaves on farms, rice factories, brick making facilities, and other places. What about them? They get beaten, raped, and forced into harsh conditions. Google "ijm india factsheet" -- these are your brothers and sisters suffering. youre living the life rn.
    Aug 11, 2018 1
    • NetApp OfWq48
      Also, not all white people are racist. some have yellow fever ahaha, like legit raging. :D
      Aug 11, 2018
  • Salesforce / Eng Vlad Putin
    Unlike slaves, you can pack your stuff and go home.
    No one "makes you work" except for yourself. If it is that bad, you can change jobs/transfer h1b, move to Canada or other country, or go back home.
    You are a temporary worker, no guarantees of permanent residency were made when you entered the country.
    I know that because I entered the country on h1b.
    If you were too stupid to understand rules of this game you shouldn't have gotten h1b at the first place.
    I know it sucks for everyone personally, but the big picture is that the US ain't gonna accept 300mln Indian and Chinese developers willing to move here, that just too much. Someone is going to be unhappy. Now it is you.

    If you feel like living among people of color is a priority, India awaits. Or you can petition Japanese or Chinese governments to accept unlimited amounts of Indians.
    Others have enough POC around to provide diverse environment, I.e. little Mumbai around Microsoft campus in Redmond or little China in South Lake Union.
    Aug 12, 2018 0
  • Oracle
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    shut down those ICC first. fake resume, one person apply for multiple H1b,
    Aug 12, 2018 0
  • Microsoft zMJv04
    Stop embarrassing other Indians and in turn the chinese and others. ffs
    Aug 11, 2018 0
  • Google topCon
    Thread saved. Popcorn ready.
    Aug 11, 2018 0
  • New ELAS86
    India hasn’t invented a fucking useful thing since the Stone Age.
    Aug 12, 2018 3
    • Google topCon
      What did they invent in the Stone Age?
      Aug 12, 2018
    • Oracle Kuberneto
      It invented the zero which describes your dad and mom’s IQ @ELA86.
      Aug 12, 2018
    • Expedia qpmz
      What did u invent something useful?
      Now don't say US invented this and that and take whole credit for yourself.
      We're in generation where everyone (from different country) collaborate and invent new things not just one person or country.

      Feed some good thoughts to your illiterate mindset.
      Aug 12, 2018
  • Intel DSPN81
    Imagine if India weren’t a shithole.
    Aug 11, 2018 0
  • Upstart imherenow
    I'm a foreigner but not from India and I agree it's unfair to you. But seriously, with the line being in 2005, why don't you just move to Canada or the UK? TC won't be as high but you won't need to wait that much to have permanent residence.
    Aug 11, 2018 0
  • Oracle x(f(r8r8sl
    MIGA instead if trying to change others' policies
    Aug 11, 2018 0
  • New / Eng
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    y don't u join wipro/Infosys for 100k as a program manager, get it in eb1
    Aug 11, 2018 0
  • Google 7db7e2h8x
    It will never change bc there aint shit u can do about it. Even if the queue is 1000 years, Indians will still stick around for slavery 300k+ salaries. Do u really think working at Cerner for 80k a year really qualify you as top talent? Gtfo
    Aug 11, 2018 1
    • Cerner / Eng
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      What can I say, I'm good at my job
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      :(
      Aug 12, 2018
  • New / Eng 🌲50
    You do not speak for me. I don’t agree with anything you said.
    Aug 12, 2018 0
  • NetSuite justtrying
    🍿
    Aug 12, 2018 0
  • New / Eng
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    I thought about moving to Canada or back to India, but, even with no GC in sight, I still don't see why US is not better than moving to India or Canada. U don't absolutely get similar work - innovation happens here and don't think I can change it by moving out. I like it here
    Aug 11, 2018 0
  • Apple Ivy league
    It's ok bro..no need for GC..we can all just ride with I-140..how does it matter
    Aug 11, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Eng 🐕 503 🐶
    Write an open letter to the US. In all cases, do something concrete.
    Aug 11, 2018 0

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