French Riots

Amazon / Eng Illinois
Dec 8, 2018 35 Comments

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"We're not protesting for a few cents off the fuel bill. We're not protesting because we want to pay less taxes.

We're protesting to be able to live decently.

We're protesting because we want the taxes to be applied equally to everyone.

We're protesting because 10 years ago we put ~€ 400 billion to save banks, and last year the government voted a "pact" with big companies saying "we reduce your charges by 40 billion, but you hire 1 million". They cashed in and didn't hire a single person.

We're protesting because for 20 years the govt told us to "buy diesel cars, it's safer, cheaper to use,..." and now diesel is more expensive than gasoline (~€1,5/L).

We're protesting because nurses have to take care of more than 50 patients at once, for less than €1200/month.

We're protesting because every single law that is voted is voted in favor of the 1%.

We're protesting because we're being told that "we people don't know what's good for us, but that's normal, after all we're the people, we can't understand" (govt deputy)

We're protesting because mass medias are lying to our face ("did you know that there were only 120k people protesting maximum?" That's at least three times less than the real figures).

We're protesting because the only measure the govt has taken until now is to freeze the fuel tax for 6 months and imprison protesters (up to 6 months of jail).

We're protesting because we want to stop being fucked all day long by bosses/investors/taxes/prices/state agencies.

We're protesting because we are tired of being slaved."

This is not about right vs left or any of that crap, it's about workers standing up for themselves.

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  • Oracle / Eng wicj
    "We're protesting because we want the taxes to be applied equally to everyone."
    ...
    "We're protesting because every single law that is voted is voted in favor of the 1%"

    Wat?
    Dec 8, 2018 3
    • Google Caravanan
      Translation -
      1. corporations pay minimal taxes which is unfair.
      2. Things like tax cuts and bank bailouts help the 1%
      Makes sense now?
      Dec 8, 2018
    • Oracle / Eng wicj
      Not at all. They have a tax structure in which the wealthy contribute a disproportionately large amount. Any move towards equality would be a law in favor of the 1%. He's asking for diametrically opposite things within the same statement.
      Dec 8, 2018
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      France recently cut taxes for the rich which contributed to the deficit. The “carbon tax” would partially be used to pay down the deficit. This is also being used to argue that recession-era austerity has to continue because of the deficit... even though the same government is pushing business-tax-incentives and business stimulus plans.

      Socialism for business, austerity for everyone else (like in the US from either party) is part of the motivation of the protests.

      It seems like the equality you are talking about is equating tax with population - every single person taxed equally based on their number in the population.

      But the protesters likely mean equally based on control of national wealth.
      Dec 8, 2018
  • French here. Its a bunch of nonsense. It is the result of very disorganized management of their personal finances and a feeling that the government should solve their problems for them. On the top of it a blatant disregard for ecology. I am sorry this protest makes it to the international news, it is an embarrassment to my country
    Dec 8, 2018 2
    • Apple mkpoy
      No buddy, WWI and WWII were embarrassments for your country. Maybe an anglo-saxon country is needed to sort things out there.
      Dec 8, 2018
    • Yeah that too. I guess we like to diversify our embarrassments
      Dec 8, 2018
  • Twitter Yabby
    Is France a socialist country?
    Dec 8, 2018 13
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      Let’s be concrete then - what would you call an administration that wants to raise the hours of the work-week, wants to cut taxes on the wealthy as well as on investments, cut rail spending and service, supports austerity for social services, supports pro-business policies?
      Dec 8, 2018
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      Even by that definition, you are incorrect. France de-nationalized (privatized) services.

      Taxation and welfare are common in capitalist countries. This is what I’m saying - you are using an ideological description (ie: capitalism SHOULD have low taxes and no welfare state) that is useless because real-world capitalist countries have some level of taxation and social welfare. Capitalism tends to break down without it.

      It’s a capitalist country that once had a democratic socialist in power (which still doesn’t make a country socialist) in the 80s and 90s.
      Dec 8, 2018
    • You miss the point of origin of that administration. If the point of origin is a socialist state then this administration can only offset the system a tiny bit towards capitalism so in France, that would be a socialist administration. BTW what you are describing is absolutely not Macron's administration but the left's interpretation of it.
      Dec 8, 2018
    • France did de-nationalize some services... A tiny bit. One of those de-nationalized services is energy (EDF) which means that the states "only" controls 84% of it. So privatization in France does not hold the same meaning as in the rest of the world
      Dec 8, 2018
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      France is socialist... so any policies they do are the socialist version? This seems very circular to me.

      I don’t think capitalism and socialism are a matter of degrees or policy. It’s about the basic way a society sustains itself. As I see it, capitalism is a society where major production is accomplished through a competitive drive for profit which is based on wage-labor. Socialism is where production is accomplished through a cooperative democratic administration by workers.

      What you describe as socialism is really either that the (Democratic-socialist to center-leftist) Socialist party is a major party (or was) or you mean a country with social-democratic policies. Social-democracy being a left, but pro-capitalist tradition. Either way, neither of these things mean that the national economy are “socialist” - just a form of capitalist state you disagree with.

      Capitalist states organize militaries to protect trade routes, to have the ability to unilaterally impose trade agreements when needed; they need courts and law and a bureaucracy in order to even set the rules for trade or property to exist. This means taxes. Capitalist states also acts to ensure that government is well funded by ensuring national capitalist economic growth and development (roads, logistics infrastructure, working class population, etc). More taxes. Finally, capitalist states need to ensure a good business environment by making sure that the population doesn’t go all French Jacobin - so that usually means some level of public welfare (so you don’t end up a filthy swamp of disease and short industrial life expectancy like Victorian London) but it could also mean repression.

      Every major capitalist economy has some degree of this.

      (On a side note, by holding a majority of energy shares, the government gets a lot of decision-making power, but in France are shareholders still subjected to market forces? If so, it sounds like a scheme to remove the possibility of democratic pressure on the government majority-owned energy company: the worst of market- and state- capitalism!)
      Dec 8, 2018
  • Google Vdzlw
    They're probably protesting bc Macron and his Rothschild connections didn't actually win the election... Sitting at 24% approval rating.
    Dec 8, 2018 1
    • Amazon COEActionI
      You clearly don't know how the 'suffrage universel works'. He won the election plain and simple.
      Dec 8, 2018
  • Microsoft TonyM
    Don’t they know that the climate is changing and that humans can dictate whether the earth warms or cools via fuel taxes and carbon credits? Silly French.
    Dec 8, 2018 0
  • Adobe Shlokask
    Any protest for the mass immigration there ?
    Dec 8, 2018 1
    • Chase fnWL34
      They are protesting the immigration there.
      Dec 8, 2018
  • TL;DR We are protesting for lower taxes on fuel, but we also want renewable fuel sources #Irony
    Dec 8, 2018 2
    • Not really, lots of protesters are against electric cars. Its mostly the French version of MAGA
      Dec 8, 2018
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      Reverse the wealth tax and make the rich pay for new green infrastructure.
      Dec 9, 2018
  • Google DayNNight
    They watched too much TYT channel.
    Dec 8, 2018 3
    • Apple P != NP
      That’s a Soros supported channel and doesn’t care about workers.
      Dec 8, 2018
    • Chase fnWL34
      Actually, no. The French protesters would be more MAGA supporters here.
      Dec 8, 2018
    • Microsoft waifish
      Lol it's not Soros funded
      Dec 9, 2018
  • Google d86gd2
    In b4 the media turns on them and say the protestors were whipped up by Russian propaganda.
    Dec 9, 2018 0
  • Microsoft Big Pun
    Cab drivers are the shittiest of people
    Dec 8, 2018 0

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