Full stack Dev TC

Boeing shamojo
Nov 2, 2018 50 Comments

I am a Microsoft full stack developer (ASP.NET C# SQL-Server MVC) contracting at mostly big companies with over 20 YOE. I am making $85/hr W-2 with no bennies. This is the most I’ve ever made and usually 130k is a good year. Not gonna lie, my field is flooded with H-1Bs.

I live in SoCal and see new grads here on BLIND with starting TC equal to mine even at non-FANGS in the midwest. I am even seeing $60/hr in places like Phoenix for shit enterprise work that I do.

I feel like the MSFT stack is the new COBOL and I might as well get used to low pay unless H-1Bs are banned and market forces of supply and demand prevail. I even went back to get a Masters in IS so that I could maybe teach on the side and I constantly troll Upwork for shit gigs without much luck.

Any gray-beards out there making even close to 200k in the enterprise doing coding? Even leads here in SoCal top out at $150k.

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  • Microsoft gfba68
    Why are you stuck on ASP.net? Plenty of places using .net core coupled with something modern like Angular and typescript on the client paying $200k+. You can keep C#.
    Nov 2, 2018 2
    • Boeing / Eng
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      Boeing Eng

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      Give me all your puzzles
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      Listen to this dude, .net is still technically modern
      Nov 2, 2018
    • Boeing shamojo
      OP
      Thx, Angular is a stack of its own IMHO but I am seeing reqs for that and Core and Azure not paying much more.
      Nov 2, 2018
  • Tango Health / Eng WaterColor
    You work on ASP.shit and still complain about H1-B snatching your job. You are already paid higher than you are worth. Get a life and before that fill your head with something less shitty.
    Nov 2, 2018 5
    • Boeing RudyTorren
      Never really had to worry about an H-1B taking my job just driving down my wages with their desperation tactics. You know, like living 10 to an apartment and spending all day on the phone with their proxy coders while I try to work.

      And in the enterprise it is either .NET or Java. Big companies don’t run on Wordpress or PHP.
      Nov 2, 2018
    • Tango Health / Eng WaterColor
      I don't know about H1, what I know is that upskilling keeps your ship sailing.. Net/Java/ASP is the equivalent of flipping burgers at a mcD. You shld shoot for the chef at a fine dine.
      Nov 2, 2018
    • Boeing / Eng ECgy78
      @WaterColor

      You do realize most major tech companies build their platforms with Java.
      Nov 2, 2018
    • New / Eng SiliconBum
      Be less judgemental and toxic. Thanks.
      Nov 2, 2018
    • Verizon aOOC32
      Thank you, is it so hard to provide some actual and less douchey insight?
      Nov 3, 2018
  • Bloomberg / Eng iVX372
    It's no surprise that devs working in ASP.net earn jack $hit

    Learn a newer stack
    Nov 2, 2018 0
  • New / Eng
    RightBrain

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    RightBrainmore
    I am depressed by this post.. I am a recent grad and unfortunately i have to work on .net stack for my current company.. I learned .net very well and thought this as my main career path.

    But by reading all these comments and this post.. i feel like i am on a wrong path.

    Any guidance will be highly appreciated.

    My background- Masters in CS, 1 yoe

    Should i shift to java or learn azure and move on to cloud ?
    Nov 2, 2018 5
    • Boeing RudyTorren
      I don’t think .NET is going anywhere. There are still tons of legacy apps running Web Forms that need to be upgraded. Java is the only alternative in big companies but is a shittier stack imho.

      Azure is just a platform for running .NET code but definitely something you want exposure to.
      Nov 2, 2018
    • Verizon aOOC32
      .net is not a waste of time, and there’s lucrative positions for it. And I do mean lucrative.

      That being said, you are doing yourself a disservice not picking up other stacks.
      Nov 2, 2018
    • New / Eng
      RightBrain

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      RightBrainmore
      Thanks @RudyTorren and @aOOC32. I mean its not that I will only stick to .net but it would be better if I choose a better path during initial stages of my career. What r ur stacks currently?
      Nov 2, 2018
    • Verizon aOOC32
      My stacks are what the business needs, and what they pay me for. When the requirements require something in the .net sphere, guess what, that’s what I’ll do. And guess what, when I need to know something else, they pay my way to learn it. Ignore the BS from some of these posts. It’s like the same people that think WinForms are dead lol. Just cause it’s not in your projects current scope, doesn’t mean it’s not in countless others.

      You’ll do just fine.
      Nov 3, 2018
    • Verizon aOOC32
      Also like to add, this type of stuff comes and goes, and then comes back again. Someone asking these types of questions already is probably going to go far in my book.

      It means you’re aware you can’t be stagnant.
      Nov 3, 2018
  • Wayfair addA30
    wtf is a asp?

    SQL Server isn't supported by any major cloud providers and Microsoft barely supports it in Azure.

    You have skills that aren't worth top dollar. Learn new skills.
    Nov 2, 2018 5
    • Microsoft gfba68
      SQL Server is widely used, bro
      Nov 2, 2018
    • Verizon aOOC32
      Agreed.
      Nov 2, 2018
    • Wayfair addA30
      SQL Server is not supported in GCP or AWS. If you want to migrate to the cloud, you have to migrate off SQL Server to Postgres or MYSQL

      I use SQL Server every day, but we are doing everything we possibly can to move off of it.
      Nov 2, 2018
    • Boeing RudyTorren
      SQL-Server drives all the other shit that MSFT sells like BizTalk and Dynamics. And for a full stack dev it doesn’t really matter because I have coded against Oracle and other dbs.

      But I can’t see how a move to another stack like MEAN would help me get high paying gigs in corporate IT.
      Nov 2, 2018
    • Verizon aOOC32
      I’m pretty sure sql server is supported in AWS
      Nov 2, 2018
  • SpaceX uevh5
    Most comments here are bullshit. I've been using the Microsoft stack exclusively for 20+ years. My current TC is $320k. Before that at SpaceX was $250k. Was making $150k at noname companies. Of course my UI is spiked with Angular and React sometimes even node.js but under it is .NET and MS stack all the way.
    Nov 2, 2018 3
    • Verizon aOOC32
      Exfuckingactly!
      Nov 3, 2018
    • New / Eng
      RightBrain

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      RightBrainmore
      So spacex is using .net .. wow.. just wondering if its for spacex website or any internal application?
      Nov 3, 2018
    • Boeing RudyTorren
      I had a SpaceX phone interview for a .NET position a few years ago and the manager was a douche who really badgered me about linked lists. I heard it was a sweatshop.
      Nov 3, 2018
  • Amazon LoanerBadg
    If you have 20 years of experience and is only comfortable working with one stack, YOU are the problem. Not the H1Bs or the new college grads. Google pays those new grads that much because those Engineers can quickly pickup and work in whatever the fucking stack is required for the project.
    Nov 2, 2018 0
  • Bloomberg / Eng iVX372
    @OP Lol all of the tech you're mentioning was hot about 15 years ago, except Java. You're so out of the loop it's no wonder your TC sucks

    Since you seem to be misinformed, here is a list of currently in-demand tech:

    Languages and frameworks:

    Python (Django and Flask for web, scikit-learn and numpy for ML), JavaScript ES6 (preferably with React, Vue.js or Angular), Node.js (with Express.js knowledge, since most Node.js server frameworks are built on that), Ruby on Rails (popular with web startups), and Scala, Java 10 (Sparq and Hadoop for data engineering), and C++14 only at mega companies like Bloomberg and Google.

    Databases:

    PostgreSQL, MySQL, MongoDb (popular but garbage)

    Caches:

    Redis, MemCache, MemSQL, others
    Nov 2, 2018 3
    • Boeing RudyTorren
      I maybe agree with you on Python being hot but I only see it used by data scientists.

      As for JS frameworks, they come and go like the wind. Sounds like you have an open source bias but I could see how these languages could command a premium but I don’t see them used much in the enterprise.
      Nov 2, 2018
    • Bloomberg / Eng iVX372
      SWE jobs in the Bay are full of this tech. The vast majority of dev jobs in SV are in open source tech, because that is generally the best tech available for common use cases
      Nov 2, 2018
    • Amazon LoanerBadg
      Anyone who claims to know what the hot frameworks are clearly biased.
      Nov 2, 2018
  • Google / Eng rRPD43
    Learn a new stack bro
    Nov 2, 2018 0
  • Microsoft Onfrsxn
    College hires get paid well because they don't know asp.net lol
    Nov 2, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Eng Tier 1
    You’re making good money for CRUD apps. But perhaps you could do better.

    How good are your CS skills?
    Nov 2, 2018 5
    • Boeing RudyTorren
      Comp Sci? Not that good. Writing SQL and C# all day doesn’t require much knowledge of algos or any of the stuff I saw on LeetCode
      Nov 2, 2018
    • Verizon aOOC32
      How do you figure?
      Nov 2, 2018
    • Boeing RudyTorren
      Line of business apps in the enterprise are pretty mundane and I can definitely architect a big application and lead a team but the pay is not much better and I would almost rather just do heads down coding than deal with the headaches.
      Nov 2, 2018
    • Verizon aOOC32
      I meant more like I can’t follow why you think that wouldn’t require algorithms. Just curious what you would describe as non mundane. You know?
      Nov 2, 2018
    • Boeing RudyTorren
      I mean like linked lists, etc. Most of my work is CRUD or integrating with back end services. Not too many algos involved with parsing json or mapping XML
      Nov 2, 2018
  • Cadence / Eng Delucca
    And you think US have enough engineers to work in all the organizations when H1b is banned and no one here is on H1b. ?
    Nov 2, 2018 3
    • Boeing shamojo
      OP
      Yes, because all those smart folks in medicine and law working 80 hours a week to pay off student loans will turn into programmers. There is a reason MDs and JDs make 500k-1m after 20 YOE.

      And US kids won’t shy away from STEM because they no longer would have to worry about competing with H-1bs with no college debt who will take low pay and bad working conditions in the hopes of a green card.
      Nov 2, 2018
    • Wayfair addA30
      I didn't even know what a H1-B was until I was well out of college. You're completely full of shit if you think people going for JDs (social sciences) will become SWEs instead.
      Nov 2, 2018
    • Microsoft gfba68
      I'm fairly certain nobody shies away from STEM because of H1-Bs. Also, MDs and JDs don't make $500k-1m after 20 years. The best of the best do, but most do no better than engineers after all that debt.
      Nov 2, 2018
  • When someone starts blaming the system around him , most likely the problem is at the source.

    Do a due diligence and factor in your incompetence as well in the mix.

    The only way out is work harder , learn new shit , go for permanent job - may be , work your way up the chain.

    And there are more H1Bs , that are out there making more $$ writing the shit that you are writing.
    Nov 2, 2018 1
    • Boeing RudyTorren
      Trust me, 75% of H-1Bs are in the lowest of the 4 pay tiers according to LCA filings. That means an average of 65k, and that is probably what the bodyshop gets and even less of that goes to the H-1B.

      Outside of FANGs, SV unicorns, and a few others, H-1Bs are low wage freshers driving down rates.

      So far I have seen 2 .NET devs reply. One is now bummed and doubts his career path, the other works at SpaceX, which according to LCA records, had not hired too many H-1Bs as devs and that guy makes around 300k.
      Nov 3, 2018
  • United States Golf Association VCUH50
    TC 150k + Bennies and 5 wk vacation. .net will go beyond 130k on the East Coast. Most financial companies pay decent and use either .net, Java, or nowadays sprinkled with Node. SQL Server is popular due to having good performance cs other RDBMS, and departments have magic licensing budgets that somehow keep getting renewed.
    Dec 9, 2018 0
  • Amazon PAxv45
    do not tie yourself to a specific webstack. Learn modern javascript and try to know a bit of Java, Python as well.
    Nov 2, 2018 0
  • Verizon aOOC32
    What stacks are suggested?
    Nov 2, 2018 0
  • ASP.net is like the Beanie Babies of coding — that ship has long sailed. Get a new stack
    Nov 2, 2018 0
  • Savvius kYuj55
    Bro. Things change very fast bro. No one even learns asp.net that much. Companies where money flows use the latest/better stack.
    Nov 2, 2018 0

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