Future of General Motors

New TISiYQ
Sep 18 158 Comments

Day 3 of the strike. Anyone from GM who can offer some insights about the company culture and its future direction?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tensions-tempers-rise-picket-lines-general-motors-strike-enters-day-n1055936

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  • New R162
    I work in the auto industry. GM is trash to their lower tier workers, they pay their engineers relatively well but working there is like swimming through tar. Highly political and full of obstructions in getting anything actually done. I couldn’t imagine how the situation would be if these workers were not part of a union. The protest is warranted.
    Sep 18 26
    • Tableau tabcat
      I only mentioned this because it is so drastically different than GM's offer - don't want to detract from the main conversation
      Sep 19
    • Wipro pGQn36
      I guess you are an outlier then. It's impressive to know that.
      Sep 19
    • Finale Inventory huHG50
      2 years ago in Michigan GM was offering 65k to new grads from an average state school. I literally just had a single interview on campus where the interview just talked about how great GM is and I got an offer. Where were you located to only get offered 40k? I seen multiple offers people from my school got for IT/Software Development jobs and every offer had the same amount. GM was one of the higher paying opportunities here. Ford offered slightly higher, 70k or 75k for past interns.
      Sep 19
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    • General Motors ganbadei
      Your description re the politics is spot on lol. Couldn’t have said it better myself
      Sep 25
  • Amazon b5x01z
    Unions are overall worse for the worker..... Change my mind
    Sep 19 25
    • Hur dur, I can't articulate my own arguments against Crowder's so I call him a douche. @Raiders1
      Sep 19
    • Kaiser Permanente ٩(̾●̮̮̃̾•̃̾)۶
      Unions don’t play like a partner and are corrupted as government and politicians. They treat their own employees as dust. Organizing strikes and paying for commercials cost unions the same amount as pay increase and benefits they demand.
      Sep 19
    • New slOz70
      @phatman Honda calculates that a factory worker is worth 150k. I assume it's because of all the benefits, but factory workers at the plant I work out cap out at around 26/hr
      Sep 19
    • Kaspersky Lab mayfair
      Unions only care about union leaders interests. If your interests are aligned, unions are good for you. If they are not, you’ll be screwed.
      Sep 20
    • Rackspace srart
      @LinkedIn, reading comprehension isn't your strongest skill I take it. Labor cost is NOT compensation. It's benefits, wages, facilities, ancillary HR costs, etc.
      So 27 B in Labor cost, using that $75 (if that was all union workers) their revenue was ...
      147 B
      The Labor cost is sustainable. Just because other companies get to keep more profit doesn't mean this business is hurting.
      Sep 20
  • Tableau tabcat
    Strikes are an odd phenomenon to me. If you're unhappy then quit. If you can't find another job that's because your skill set wasn't valued and you need to either accept the low pay (since you generate low value) or grow to find a way to contribute more to society.

    Choosing not to work should be a fireable offense.
    Sep 19 19
    • Instructure OUtj13
      Unions have a very important purpose in labor markets where free market dynamics break down. This happens in a lot of factory jobs and utilities. A lot of times companies know they have a lot of power and without unions they could royally screw over workers.

      Quitting and going somewhere else works great when there are multiple competitors and options...like in tech. But when there is only one factory in town? When it’s the only place to do a particular kind of work within hundreds of miles? The only equalizer is bargaining power. The right to assemble
      And negotiate as a groups is a part of democracy.

      Also remember that our lives can often depend on this power. As a former
      Union member, yes there are problems with unions, but people often forget the benefits of having a workforce that can stand up for themselves or even whistleblow against corrupt companies. These companies only care about $$$$$. They don’t care how many defects a car has. Or if it gets your family killed. They don’t care if a new process gets some poor guy crushed to death on the assembly line. Without union security that stuff becomes a daily affair. That’s why unions were created.

      No one wants unions...If companies barely halfway did what was right there wouldn’t be a need for Unions. But time and time again history shows companies will do anything they can to make an extra buck no matter what the consequences.
      Sep 20
    • Rackspace srart
      @Tabcat, here is an example you can probably understand. Imagine that we got rid of the h1b lottery and just let every developer in the world compete for your job. With the literal millions that can do your job competing for all of those jobs would you just walk away from yours on hope that you might get another one? The h1b is indentured servitude for the workers to the companies great joy, but it's also protectionism for us. Our skills aren't that unique and you aren't that smart. Remember, 1 in a million means there are thousand just like you in India and China.

      So now that you understand the competition for these jobs (the hiring process is multiple days of tests, reading comprehension, physical ability, endurance) you think you would do your best to make things better for yourself, or just work 60+ hour weeks with no air, and then let some poor new "temp" worker work just like you for years without ever getting the benefits you get?

      Oh, you didn't know trying to fix things for temps was part of the negotiation? Don't get it twisted though, it's not altruistic, they know that GM would happily replace them all work temps if they could, and that is the long term plan, so the union is fighting that so there is still a union next generation.

      Imagine if Wal-Mart got unionized and their truckers joined the teemsters. They would have to pay enough that the people working there wouldn't need to work when sick. They might even be forced to actually have two entire registers open at the same time!
      Sep 20
    • LinkedIn 3GF
      Tabcat do you know you are a hardcore republican? I’m asking because some people don’t think they are, and they get really surprised when they find that out.
      Sep 21
    • Kaspersky Lab mayfair
      srart, or imagine world adopted remote work culture so well that it became a viable option for companies to move developers jobs abroad to India, Eastern Europe and Latin America. And they only retained mandatory minimum in the States... That would be exactly automotive industry state of business.
      Sep 21
    • Rackspace srart
      @Mayfair exactly, just because we have to worry about our jobs being exported because it can be done from Damn near anywhere doesn't mean we shouldn't support the folks here trying to keep what they can and not let our corporate overlords race to the bottom. Because purff transportation costs the auto folks have a bit more leverage for the things that are sold here.
      If the companies get their wish it won't be a concern though because no-one will be able to afford to buy a me car.
      Chasing quarterly profits without a long term strategy our how we got to the 10% having more than 70% of all the wealth.
      We as a group hover around the top 10% for earners, but most of us aren't in the top 10% for wealth.
      https://dqydj.com/net-worth-brackets-wealth-brackets-one-percent/
      Spoiler, net worth of $1,182,390.36 gets you there.
      Sep 23
  • General Motors sBto05
    Normal day at work at the Georgia Innovation Center.

    I get their complaints, the hourly workers gave up a lot during the recession and it doesn't seem unnatural for them to ask for those things back since we had years of record profits.

    As for the culture....it depends on who you're working with. I've done a lot of work with the big data folks in Austin and it seems like a tech company there. I've also dealt with people on the business side who apparently think IT is their arch nemesis and do everything possible to make sure you don't succeed in delivering the software you're building to make their lives easier. And there's everything in between as it's a huge company.

    The biggest threat to salary employees at the moment is that we might not get our bonuses this year. Losing $50M a day during the strike really fucks with the free cash flow number that we base the bonus pay out on.
    Sep 18 7
    • General Motors rAIF33
      It’s quite pricy IMO for a family with dental and vision as well, but still far cheaper than the alternatives. I’d be happy for it to not get pricier.
      Sep 18
    • Atlassian d@t_person
      sBto05 that plan is actually not that good with respect to the average high TC Blind SWE.
      Sep 19
    • Amazon Waze
      Yeah, 5500 deductable? That's a horrible plan.
      Sep 19
    • VMware doof_s
      I think he meant to say $3500 deductible. And Gm contributes $1500 to that for families
      Sep 20
    • General Motors rAIF33
      It’s 4500 + another 1000 to out of pocket max. I pay about $360 for insurance and hsa contributions each month and those contributions aren’t enough to cover anywhere near that $4500, even with $1500 contribution by GM.
      Sep 21
  • State Farm sweeeeee
    Tagging the company might help you get responses.
    Sep 18 2
    • New TISiYQ
      OP
      Thanks for the tip!
      Sep 18
    • Humana edjuh
      Edit the post and add @GM or @General Motors
      Sep 19
  • Uber chumpu
    GM makes subpar products, slow to innovate. The line workers should become engineers
    Sep 19 12
    • General Motors ganbadei
      @transp1ant to me it doesn’t sound like smooth engine. But maybe I don’t know cars
      Sep 29
    • General Motors ganbadei
      @Brentwood they’ll come up with another better looking EV. Don’t worry
      Sep 29
    • Microsoft transp1ant
      @ganbadei so if I'm guessing correctly, you're mainly referring to the V8s and comparing them to the likes of certain Euro V8 sounds. The reason for this comes from the crank design mainly, and also firing order. This is mainly a choice and does not reflect inferior quality, it's what makes that distinctive American V8 burble
      Sep 29
    • General Motors ganbadei
      @transp1ant sounds like you are a fan
      Sep 30
    • Microsoft transp1ant
      Haha, like I said, love GM powertrains, now just gotta start upping the interior game and they'll be on top
      Sep 30
  • Intuit kboq17
    Unions were the reason Detroit became Detroit today. When the unions disrupt businesses like UAW and increase the cost for products, businesses move their operations elsewhere. The workers ultimately suffer. I believe most of the union workers are hardworking people, but the union leaderships are absolutely cancer in this country.
    Sep 19 5
    • Microsoft tcaP47
      In this country and all other countries in the world. Amen
      Sep 19
    • U.S. Dpt. of Veterans Affairs CPC
      I tell union guys that they need to globalize like the Transnational Corporations did. The shop steward grandpas were beat and killed during organizing. If the system is going to work they need to organize worldwide. They see what China does to rabble rousers. As long as oligarchs are in charge in China et al unions don’t stand a chance.
      Sep 19
    • Oracle l00tb0x
      Shit cars from Detroit made what Detroit is today.
      Sep 19
    • Amazon yzjjay
      It’s quite funny to see the US view of unions. You guys have been brainwashed. In most other world countries, unions are everywhere and no one sees them negatively. They are an important part of the system, providing support and a voice to people with low skills that would otherwise be working for slave wages and no benefits.

      I can understand if you’re highly skilled you might not want to be in one, but if you’re in a GM factory line there is simply no question that you’re better off with a union.
      Sep 20
    • DoorDash grdbnoknhj
      Amen. Unions are the only way to create balance of power in companies.
      Sep 20
  • NVIDIA Rankine
    My son's close friend nearly died in an accident with his Chevy Cruise 3 days ago He went unconscious and hit a tree. Doctors tests show he had suffered from carbon monoxide poisoning. They suspect the catalytic convert was leaking into the cabin while he was on the highway. IMHO GM cars are complete crap. The only reason they made it this far is because of the Obama bail out. It's a dying company.
    Sep 19 6
    • NVIDIA Rankine
      You should Google GMs track record on the Cruise. My point is that if they can't design buid a safe non AV car, who'll be stupid enough to buy their AV offering?
      Sep 19
    • Uber dhsowhh38
      Cruise is number 1 or 2 in Av industry. They are good
      Sep 19
    • Oracle EuhN21
      I crashed my boat into a boulder and the doctor said I almost drowned....screw Searay they make crap watercraft!
      Sep 19
    • Oracle l00tb0x
      Nothing to do with anything other than the car leaked CO into the cabin... Yea right, it's not the car's fault.
      Sep 19
    • General Motors ganbadei
      Cruise is mostly independent from GM on the R&D lol
      Sep 25
  • NewRelic grock
    "Too big to fail". Socialism at it's finest.
    Sep 19 3
    • Amazon Waze
      That's worse than socialism actually. With socialism the citizens win when the company wins and loose when the company looses. With the "too big to fail " system, citizens don't get a dime when the company wins, but looses when the company looses.
      Sep 19
    • Concur Dr. Monkey
      Exactly. It was a transfer of wealth from the masses to the elites. One of those rare economic scenarios so abhorrent that Marxists and Capitalists can be equally disgusted, and for the same reason.
      Sep 19
    • Oracle l00tb0x
      In a real socialism, the strikers would have been taken away by the state police. Do not use words you don't know.
      Sep 19
  • General Motors jPph07
    The plan I choose is less than vision and dental combined lol. Can't forget the $1500 in free HSA money. Our week off between Christmas and New Years is also determined by UAW. I'd like to think our 8% 401k matching is partially due to the old pension plan being thrown away and negotiations from UAW.

    I've talked to and looked around a few other tech companies in Atlanta. Their benefits are trash.
    Sep 18 0
  • Boeing SkepticM
    GM should have been allowed to go totally bankrupt in 2008/09. Some of the larger Tier 1 suppliers would have likely bought assets and brands and used them much better.
    Sep 19 1
    • General Motors ganbadei
      You are overestimating the suppliers lol. They are late in delivering shits to us all the time
      Sep 25
  • Symantec TGlovejawb
    I don't know anything except they are making bad quality cars.
    Sep 19 3
    • Intel kura4
      Quality of cars is actually fine. Many people are happy with these vehicles
      Sep 19
    • Symantec TGlovejawb
      I have Chevy car. And.....
      Sep 19
    • New IJJr84
      OP, thr data doesn't support these statements.
      Sep 19
  • Uber dhsowhh38
    Shorted gm stock 38. 4500 shares. I wont cover till 30
    Sep 19 5
    • Uber dhsowhh38
      Gm is simply a shell of its former self. It cant reinvent itself until it sheds everything about itself and all the gm lifers.
      Sep 19
    • Google NSFW4
      Trades at like 5 times earnings lol. Better off shorting Uber trading at -infinity times earnings
      Sep 19
    • Uber dhsowhh38
      Lol. Look at growth not oinings. Also there is a reason it's so cheap. Cheap stocks will always become cheaper.
      Sep 19
    • Uber dhsowhh38
      Anyway I've announced my trade. I'm not sitting on the fence. The union issue is just the starting point. Make your bet.
      Sep 19
    • General Motors frandy
      Kind of agree with your comment about the need to shed GM lifers.
      Sep 19
  • General Motors rAIF33
    It’s business as usual right now in Milford.
    Sep 18 0
  • Cruise Automation mary.b
    I just came here to say that I really hope all GM folk joined blind exclusively for that extra spicy cruise drama
    Sep 19 6
    • Meetup svk837
      Do tell
      Sep 20
    • General Motors sBto05
      Ooooo, what's going on over at Cruise?
      Sep 20
    • Cruise Automation mary.b
      I mean blind shitposting, no breaking news here. Just wondering how blind got all the way to Michigan
      Sep 20
    • General Motors ganbadei
      GM has office in other places too you know lol
      Sep 25
    • Cruise Automation mary.b
      What a strange hill to be pointing out
      Oct 1
  • PNC ASqJ87
    Who even buys GM products anymore? Sounds like something mostly boomers and die hard built in America fans buy. The Camaro is fat, the Corvette isn't even manual, and everything else is a boring SUV that is slow and gets sub par gas mileage and reliability. If I want a daily driver I'll buy a Honda, if I want something fun I'll buy a STI or Civic type R
    Sep 19 6
    • PNC ASqJ87
      The Camaro is ugly, heavy, and has very little visibility. The older style Camaros (ending in 2001) were actually pretty good since you could see out of the car, don't know why they didn't keep making the Camaro in that style
      Sep 19
    • New IJJr84
      The data doesn't support your statements... Look into some of it, it's actually more interesting than you realize as to the state of the US car market.
      Sep 19
    • New xbqD43
      You forget about their trucks. That is a significant automotive segment.
      Sep 19
    • ExxonMobil BillyBatz
      I used to be a diehard GM fanboy. Their 2014+ trucks and suvs shake, and gm is happy to let them rattle your teeth out.

      Their performance car segment is getting better, as the 5th gen camaro was a hog and the c7 is an extremely loose car (on track). For that reason, I bought an 02 z28 and have it competitive in class (scca CAM-C) for <10k.
      Sep 20
    • Western Digital Seagate
      Mostly trucks and SUVs
      Sep 24
  • Amazon yzjjay
    It’s quite funny to see the US view of unions here. You guys have been brainwashed. In most other first world countries, unions are everywhere and no one sees them negatively. They are an important part of the system, providing support and a voice to people with low skills that would otherwise be working for slave wages and no benefits.

    I can understand if you’re highly skilled you might not want to be in one, but if you’re in a GM factory line there is simply no question that you’re better off with a union.
    Sep 20 1
    • Tesla VXvWsd
      Great opinion I guess.
      Sep 20
  • Pure Storage nOgG56
    We need Medicare for all
    Sep 19 1
    • Intel puggjds
      Nfw that unions will ever accept that; their healthcare plans are too rich and they are the #1 donors to the Dem party.
      Sep 19
  • General Motors linuxos
    GM's unionized workers are a very different group from their engineering staff (who are likely the only ones who would post on Team Blind). It's like the difference between Amazon tech workers and Amazon fulfillment center people.

    The complaints of one group won't apply to the other.
    Sep 24 0
  • Meetup svk837
    They need to clean house on their design team. Why do all GM cars look like Tupperware containers?

    Kia is a budget brand and looks about 500% more legit than anything GM puts out. It’s entirely a self inflicted problem. Compare new Lincoln models to Cadillacs. Lincoln still has a brand problem, but at least can live in the same aesthetic space as Euro luxury cars. Cadillacs are still trying to make that Pontiac Aztec design language happen and it’s embarrassing.
    Sep 20 0

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