GC path for dreamers?

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Feb 11 139 Comments

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  • Google Mmkaay
    I dream about owning a Ferrari. Would I be called ‘a dreamer’ if I steal one?

    We all have dreams, and we need to pursue them in legal ways.

    And btw, this country owes nothing to ‘dreamers’ or their kids. I am an immigrant myself, came here legally, paid hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxes, have a green card and I believe that I am not entitled to stay here. If the US government decides that I am no longer welcome in this country then I will be thankful for all the things I had here and leave immediately.

    They have no *right* to stay in this country
    Feb 1135
    • Amazon JSnowflake
      Once you use the word libtard you automatically lose the argument, regardless of your points.
      Feb 12
    • Google Mmkaay
      lol. You decided that? Maybe that will drive their attention to the word LEGAL
      Feb 12
    • Walmart.com ToKL28
      @google you just posted : "I wish democrats had any common sense and say something like: these kids were brought here illegally but we are going to accept them and give them GCs"
      Why do you keep fighting your own acceptance of dreamers, who are defacto American citizens.
      Feb 12
    • Google Mmkaay
      What I am saying here is that I wish that democrats want to reach to a final solution to this problem by, for example, naturalizing whoever were brought here and clearly stating that this is a one-time thing, and anyone who comes after that will be subject to deportation. This will put a clear end and enforce the laws and protect us from facing the same problem in the future.

      But democrats don’t want to stop the problem at this point, they want it to continue indefinitely. And if that’s what they want I don’t see why we should support the ‘dreamers’ and grant them the right to stay here, because that will only encourage others to cross the borders
      I just don’t want to waste my day explaining myself a thousand times. I think I am very clear and to the point whether we agree or not.
      Feb 12
    • Walmart.com ToKL28
      I like how @google is not even a citizen yet, but already started pushing his agenda and telling us how to live. So typical of these overly entitled Google bros.
      Feb 12
    • Walmart.com ToKL28
      Your point about Democrats is false. They did a lot for border security. It's not the problem, which can be solved once a for all. It requires continues work and making the right choices. You can't just build the wall and assume nobody is going to come.
      Feb 12
    • Google Mmkaay
      Is this your final argument? If you wouldn’t want to hear what a non-citizen thinks then why did you get involved in a long discussion? Oh I see you have nothing else to say so you started attacking me personally. Thank you for saving the rest of my day so that I can do something more important
      Feb 12
    • Walmart.com ToKL28
      😭oh, you took it personally? Where is the "personal" attack? I'm questioning your logic telling us, who is American and who is not, while being a guest here. I'm just giving you a bit of a taste of your own medicine.
      Feb 12
    • Google Mmkaay
      lol. I am forming opinions now that I am so close to becoming a citizen and will be voting for what is best for this country and its citizens and LEGAL residents.
      Feb 12
    • Walmart.com ToKL28
      I'm glad you are preparing to take your civic duties. Yet, it would be interesting to hear the actual solution, which will fix illegal immigration once and for all. Hint, the solutions, which involve storm troopers going door to door and breaking families will not pass.
      Feb 12
  • Microsoft expert123
    Dreamers should get green card BEFORE H1Bs, PERIOD! Dreamers grew up in the US and are well integrated into American society. H1Bs, on the other hand, always consider themselves as foreigners and are arrogant towards America.
    Feb 1129
    • Amazon UUVv22
      And you are wrong. Kamala did not introduce hr392. Kevin Yoder did and failed. Kamala along with others have re-introduced yoders bill which is now hr1099. You want to talk about it, I know the bill page to page and cover to cover.
      Feb 11
    • New h5n1
      So Kamala introduced it in the present Congress. DACA is clearly not the only immigration issue she is pushing.
      Feb 11
    • Amazon UUVv22
      I have no problem with Kamala and welcome the move but the question is if she can get her colleagues in the Democratic Party to vote for an immigration bill that only tackles legal immigration and has nothing for daca.
      Feb 11
    • Amazon UUVv22
      It’s not about one senator or rep. FWIW, chuck grassley from the gop is the biggest detractor of the bill but my problem is with the collective ideology on each side of the divide. The dems have been pretty unequivocal on which immigrants matter more to them.
      Feb 12
    • New h5n1
      I actually don't like the bill either. Just pointing out that your claims about Democrats are not true.
      Feb 12
    • Amazon UUVv22
      Of course you don’t like the bill because liberals don’t believe in merit or a just system. Lines up right with the ideology.
      Feb 12
    • Microsoft sinkle
      H1Bs are considered threats for middle class Americans as highly skilled immigrants are competing for their jobs. Illegal immigrants, on the other hand, are basically free slaves for middle/upper class Americans. The more, the better! As my American friend once said "H1Bs rob my job! Send them home! Mexicans cut my grass. Of course I prefer Mexicans over Indians" That explains a lot, man. It's nothing political. Americans want more workers who are willing to do the jobs that no one wants to do at very low cost than the workers who directly compete with their jobs. Isn't it clear enough?
      Feb 12
    • Amazon UUVv22
      It is apparent that your problem is not h1b but Indians. Of course, the democrats can’t be racist, can they? If you think h1b is the problem then ask the lawmakers to change the law rather than abusing those that just came to The country based on the letter of the law. Yes there is abuse and that should be contained but that is a policing problem. Just like there are illegals who come to this country to rape and murder. You want to bracket all illegals as poverty stricken exploited angels and all h1bs as fraudulent crooks. Only one of the groups actually did and continue to follow the law. Once again the liberal ideology lines up.
      Feb 12
    • Microsoft Desitechie
      Troll
      Feb 12
    • New h5n1
      I believe in merit, that's why I don't like hr392. It's not merit. It's just going to open up the whole system to a lot of really low quality applications from Indian body shops.

      I would prefer a bill that creates a merit based system that replaced the whole thing with some intelligent points based system so that we get the guys from IIT and not the guys from some no name online degree mill.

      I think everyone can probably agree that we want high skilled people and not the stuffed shirts the consulting firms have spammed.

      I know so many good Indian engineers who should not be in line behind that dead wood.
      Feb 12
  • Microsoft WhiteMail
    Actual Americans are dreamers. One of these dreams includes living in a great society. Deport the illegals!!
    Feb 1113
    • Microsoft WhiteMail
      Don’t count your chickens before they hatch. You got six more years of President Trump. Enjoy it!
      Feb 11
    • Walmart.com ToKL28
      😂 speaking of dreamers. 😂😂😂
      Feb 11
    • Walmart.com ToKL28
      When will you realize that you are the irrelevant minority?
      Feb 11
    • Microsoft WhiteMail
      If we’re speaking of dreamers we aren’t speaking of Americans.

      And speaking of minorities remind us where Democrats are in the majority? Who controls the Presidency, Senate, Supreme Court, most state governorships and state legislatures?

      Why don’t you crawl back to your traitorous friends where you belong.
      Feb 11
    • Walmart.com ToKL28
      Dreamers are Americans because they grew up here with their families. Families and communities over papers and borders. That what makes American values.

      Vast majority of Americans support Democrats a liberal policies. That's just a fact. The power structure will be fixed.

      You are the irrelevant minority.
      Feb 11
    • Microsoft WhiteMail
      Fact: Dreamers are illegals and are not American citizens.
      Fact: Republicans control most of the federal and state positions of power.
      Feb 11
    • Walmart.com ToKL28
      Fact : we will fix the paperwork. Done
      Feb 11
    • Microsoft WhiteMail
      Fact: when you wake up tomorrow Trump will still be your President.
      Feb 11
    • Walmart.com ToKL28
      Fact: Republican "control" is not accepted by majority of Americans and doesn't represent the will of American people.
      That's why even with all the control Republicans could hardly do much.
      Feb 11
    • Walmart.com ToKL28
      Fact: when I wake up tomorrow, Trump will have still a very little power. He can't even build the fence. Lol
      Feb 11
  • Amazon UUVv22
    Liberal ideology
    ————————

    Kids of folks who came to this country illegally = dreamers

    Kids of folks who came to this country legally but lose their dependent status once they reach 18 due to the parents backlogged in the legal immigration queues = gtfo
    Feb 118
    • Microsoft HURi57
      Citation needed for your last statement.
      Feb 11
    • Uber undead
      You mean parents who came here on a temporary workers visa but stayed because they really had no intent of returning and want a gc
      Feb 11
    • Amazon UUVv22
      @huri57 Lol just read any daca proposal. There is nothing covering the kids that fall in the second category.
      Feb 11
    • Amazon UUVv22
      @undead No I mean parents who came here on temporary visa when their kids were babies and keep renewing their visa legally and are in status. But can’t get their gc due to the decades long backlog. Their kids turn 18 and can’t stay in this country anymore because they are now not eligible for dependent visa and need to leave the country. These kids also came to this country when they were babies and in fact they have lived all their life in this country legally but are not considered dreamers. They should actually be given a higher preference than the so called dreamers purely on the fact that they and their parents followed the letter of the law.
      Feb 11
    • Microsoft HURi57
      There may be nothing covering it. However, passing it off as 'liberal ideology' makes you look like an idiot.
      Feb 11
    • Amazon UUVv22
      Every liberal senator knows about it and I have been to dc as part of the advocacy group that is fighting for this reform. The words out of a democrat office is always along the lines of:
      -how is this helping the dreamers?
      - This complicates daca
      - we will resolve this with cir
      And other bs.
      Feb 11
    • Amazon UUVv22
      Blindly following the biased rhetoric makes you an idiot. There is opposition to this legislature on both sides of the aisle but whereas republicans have been more accommodating to letting this legislature be debated on its own merit, the democrats just consider any legal reform without amnesty for illegals as a poison pill.
      Feb 11
    • Microsoft HURi57
      It's a blind spot with the Dems for sure. They want those votes. Just like Repubs want the white vote. Calling it liberal ideology is like me calling the KKK conservative ideology.
      Feb 11
  • LinkedIn / Engbored🐷
    Not surprising that companies want cheap labors to pour into the US.
    Feb 118
    • Dropbox dabox
      This makes no sense. How would they be cheap work once they're legalized like everyone else? If they have a work permit they don't need any sponsorship like H1Bs.
      Feb 11
    • LinkedIn / Engbored🐷
      Supply and demand. If they are allowed to work they are going to compete for low wages.
      Feb 11
    • Dropbox dabox
      Why do you think they're going for low wage jobs?
      Feb 11
    • LinkedIn / Engbored🐷
      I guess you didn’t study economics? It doesn’t matter whether they are low wage or high wage, as long as they increase the supply of labor, they are going to reduce the cost of labor.

      American immigration laws are intentionally designed to deprive illegal immigrants’ (and some legal visitors’) right to work and to cap the number of legal immigrants. These have resulted in a tight labor market, allowing legal workers to earn some of the highest wages in the world.
      Feb 11
    • Dropbox dabox
      Lol. Look at our labor market right now. Record low unemployment numbers. They're already working if they were part or DACA. Also, the DACA kids are a drop in the bucket compared to our labor market. It's okay though, you tried to make an argument 👍
      Feb 11
    • LinkedIn / Engbored🐷
      Everything is a drop in the bucket until it isn’t.

      The laws of this country not only need to protect American workers, they also need to be fair. The laws should never reward law breakers or illegal acts.

      If the source of the problem is fixed then a one-time exemption is reasonable. Otherwise it will only attract more people to break the law and hurt law-abiding immigrants and residents.
      Feb 11
    • Dropbox dabox
      I agree that current immigration laws are terrible for many involved. Backlogs, ambiguous requirements, detention centers, quotas, sponsorships, and the list goes on and on. Immigration laws suck all around. The fact is, these DACA kids were already given work permits and are contributing to society as part of their vetting requirements. Putting them on some path to legalization seems like a win at this point. I don't know how you would possibly stop people from overstaying their visas though.
      Feb 11
    • LinkedIn / Engbored🐷
      People who overstay their visas at least got their visas from the American government in the past. They were also admitted by a custom officer. So they have been vetted twice. If these people are the only illegal immigrants then it is a huge improvement imo.
      Feb 11
  • Microsoft Desitechie
    A lot of people boasting about coming here legally don't understand that they came legally just because they had the opportunity to do so --not because they were more hardworking, or better in style way.
    If they had been in the position of those immigrating illegally, they would have probably done the same.
    Feb 1125
    • Google Mmkaay
      Nope. Not all. H1-Bs need to prove that there are not enough Americans who can do their job to get their GCs. DACA should prove their worth in a very similar way to earn their GCs
      Feb 11
    • New h5n1
      Effectively anyone who was employed in the US in any capacity in the past few years can prove that to the same standard as most i140s given the very low unemployment rate.

      There aren't really any unemployed Americans so that's an easy one.
      Feb 12
    • Google Mmkaay
      Not really. Many h-1Bs can’t get GC sponsors or get their GC applications rejected. It is far from being a guaranteed matter. And it is for highly skilled immigrants, not for ones flipping burgers. You can’t get a GC with that kind of skill

      Let them compete with H1B holders and see how that works out lol
      Feb 12
    • New h5n1
      If you look at what's required to prove a labor need it's not that hard and pretty easy by that standard to show a shortage of burger flippers.

      I'm leaving aside the other PERM/i140 qualifications and focusing on what is considered proof of a labor shortage. You could easily do the same for janitors, burger flippers, Uber drivers and farm laborers.
      Feb 12
    • Microsoft HURi57
      None of this matters. The DACA folks are here to stay. None of this crying and whining is going to make them leave lol
      Feb 12
    • Google Mmkaay
      It is far from being ‘easy’ to find a sponsor and have them pay huge fees and have their lawyers work on your application to work as a janitor or flipping burgers. You are being very naive.

      Add to that, what if we decide to do that during recession? They will be all kicked out including H-1Bs
      Feb 12
    • Google Mmkaay
      @Microsoftie who said that a logical discussion matters to libtards?
      Feb 12
    • Microsoft HURi57
      Lol, looks like I touched a nerve 😂 Like I said, the DACA folks will continue to stay here no matter how much you whine about it.
      Feb 12
    • Dropbox dabox
      Let's not insult each other here. Otherwise, nobody listens to anything the other person is trying to say.
      Feb 12
    • New h5n1
      Mmkay you made this point that all the immigrants should have to show there is a labor need and I simply pointed out that using the same test as either h1b or PERM it would be easy to show a labor need for janitors, farm laborers, burger flippers and so on.

      I'm not suggesting they would find sponsors or meet any of the other requirements for an employment greencard under the current rules.

      Just that on the specific point you made about proving a labor demand they can all easily meet that test using either the LC or LCA methods.

      By the way an approved i140 isn't invalidated by a recession, and the labor test for h1b only checks that the h1b employer isn't laying off Americans (and doesn't look at regional unemployment at all).

      Easy tests to pass if you wanted to make a case for the labor market need for DACA kids or even really their illegal immigrant parents for that matter. The illegals in particular came to do jobs for which no American was available almost by definition!
      Feb 12
  • Microsoft Desitechie
    Is there any logical difference between someone born a mile south of the border and sometime born a mile North, to the same parents?
    Feb 118
    • Google Mmkaay
      Yes, different countries. Like having sex with an underage girl who will be 18 tomorrow or by next week. You will be jailed for that. It is the law

      Add to that that 99.999% of these children were not born a mile away from the border lol
      Feb 11
    • Uber / EngnYf6sJ
      I don't think there should. Birth citizenship should from parents not where you born.
      Feb 11
    • VMware BobbleHat
      Too bad the constitution disagrees with you Uber
      Feb 12
    • Uber / EngnYf6sJ
      The constitution is stupid on this one. If I was born in horse stable am I horse?
      Feb 12
    • VMware BobbleHat
      Lol, you might have rights to eat the hay. Anyway, the US was started as a country for immigrants to take over the land. Now we are 200 years later and some people want to change that.
      Feb 12
    • Microsoft Desitechie
      There is no logical reason why sex with someone over a difference of 24 hours should a crime. Any sane prosecutor will use his discretion to not prosecute such a case
      Feb 12
    • Uber / EngnYf6sJ
      Really? Now let's talk about the hot female teachers having sex with 16 year old "child" by law otherwise a fully functional male adult.
      Feb 12
    • Google Mmkaay
      Deisitechie is very desperate to make a point 😂
      Feb 12
  • Citrix Systems XDOa40
    How about give the kids green card and deport the parents? Kids are the innocent one here. They shouldn't be punished.
    Feb 111
    • Microsoft HURi57
      Republicans like to be cruel towards kids.
      Feb 11
  • Walmart.com ToKL28
    Dreamers are Americans. We need to fix the paperwork now. They are citizens.
    Feb 110
  • Microsoft HURi57
    Dreamers aren't going anywhere. Deal with it, kiddos.
    Feb 110
  • Dropbox dabox
    Dreamers are going to stay here regardless of what happens. At least legalize them in some way permanently so they can continue to contribute to America. We're losing out on a validated group of people who are already part of American culture. Most just want to go to college and get a job. As a citizen, it makes no sense to 'send them back'. It's as ridiculous as creating a wall to 'protect us.' it's the boogyman trying to scare us and divide us.
    Feb 110
  • New h5n1
    It's a tough problem, need to find a way to discourage the guilty parents without being unfair to their innocent kids.
    Feb 110

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