Game developer commits suicide after MeToo allegations

Unity Lvl5Thug
Aug 31 67 Comments

Basically Zoe Quinn (dev of Depression Quest) accused a co-worker of sexual harassment through a post on Twitter (she didn't even go to the police mind you).

Next day guy is fired, a lot of articles pop up about it almost immediately and the guy commits suicide a few days later. Nobody even took the time to verify what happened.

People are now deleting their tweets, Twitter accounts and articles about this, basically trying to downplay this.

Thoughts?

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  • Lyft !lyft
    How do you know 'nobody took time to verify'? Did you take time to verify?
    Aug 31 12
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    • Google SdrPikachu
      The guy had a history of mental issues and self-harm. Seems like many people in that "industry" aren't batting on a full wicket.
      Sep 1
    • Wizards of the Coast aaaabaa
      HR investigations wrap up instantly all the time, it takes all of two or three one on one conversations to establish what you need to fire someone for zero tolerance shit like sexual harassment.

      The impression that hr is plodding and deliberate comes from the fact that hr usually draws out "investigations" to let tempers cool so they can assess what they minimum they need to do is.
      Sep 3
    • Unity Oopplk
      #sdrpikachu
      The video game world is not an "industry" to you? Tell me more.
      Sep 3
    • Facebook / Eng Expossible
      Blind is so full of corporate wage slaves that no one can talk about this in terms other than him being an employee and HR investigations 🤣. We're talking about a bunch of indie developers and contractors that had collaborated on projects. There is no HR to report this to and police and the legal systems don't procescute people for emotional abuse (and rarely for physical abuse honestly). Alec wasn't really fired, previous business partners of his that also claim he abused him (https://medium.com/@bombsfall/alec-2618dc1e23e) decided to cut ties. The best case scenario was the guy was an asshole and no one wanted to work with him, even if claims of abuse are exaggerated or false. What happened is a tragedy all around but the Blind response to this situation is completely out of touch and uninformed.
      Sep 28
  • Chase
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    She’s a disgusting human being for not telling the police and instead putting it on Twitter. To me, that immediately discredits any of its merit. You’re mad at your ex so you literally try to ruin his entire life, subsequently leading to his suicide, rather than solving it with him or the authorities? Coward.
    Sep 1 15
    • Chase
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      Easy to say when he was literally seeing professional help for mental disorders...
      Sep 3
    • Activision Blizzard / Eng
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      Hah I guess we are talking about his inability to cope again. His depression is very unfortunate, but I don't think that's enough reason to stop freedom of speech.
      Sep 3
    • Chase
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      Ok, then my freedom to say she’s a scumbag of a human being and I hope karma works it’s magic on her will be OK with you as well, haha.
      Sep 3
    • Activision Blizzard / Eng
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      Of course it's okay. That's the beauty of freedom of speech.
      Sep 4
    • Expedia Group / Eng Anony🐭
      Hey Activision person, freedom of speech doesn't mean one can say whatever the fuck and face no consequences. I think someone should file a cyber bullying complaint with the police on the tweet owner.
      Sep 28
  • Amazon / Eng SmkWdEvyDy
    As always, the best way to not be accused of something is to not be a creepy predator. I don't know the details of this story, but if he was fired then it was likely for a reason. People with more details than any of us made that decision.

    Of course it's sad that it ended as it did. No one deserves to feel that suicide is the only way out. Which is why we should have better mental health care and awareness around mental illness.
    Sep 1 10
    • Chase
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      No, it doesn’t, because of people like you. All it takes is a tweet without evidence and you’re vehemently attacking him and defending her. YOU are the reason why he committed suicide. People know once something is said, you won’t change their mind even if you’re proven innocent. When you make people feel like they only have one way out after they’ve been accused, that’s exactly the route they are going to take.
      Sep 3
    • Activision Blizzard / Eng newrandom
      @Chase if you're replying to me you completely missed my point. I WAS agreeing with you, you tool. Even if I wasn't, saying shit like "YOU PERSONALLY ARE THE REASON HE'S DEAD" is pretty stupid.
      Sep 3
    • Chase
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      Not you PERSONALLY, it’s an abstract of people with the same mentality.
      Sep 3
    • Activision Blizzard / Eng newrandom
      Did you read what I said? Are you that dense? I WAS AGREEING WITH YOU. I was pointing out the hypocrisy and ludicrousness of suggesting "you have nothing to fear if you're not guilty".
      Sep 3
    • Chase
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      Are you dense? I was clearing up the misconception that I didn’t mean you personally, haha.
      Sep 3
  • I knew Alec personally, he was struggling with depression for as long as I knew him (he even made a podcast about coping with mental illness) and I feel like it was extremely irresponsible for Quinn to release the information the way she did. This shouldn’t be the end of his life. I wanted to see him continue to grow and evolve and now that won’t happen.

    Quinn is hardly the innocent victim that the media often portrays her as, and I recommend any guys associated with her go full-blown Mike Pence with her and just keep her at a very safe distance.
    Sep 3 6
    • No, I’m literally not, and if I recall, she didn’t accuse Alec of rape.

      I’m recounting her past which was revealed to be super shady during the whole Gamergate fiasco. She’s not the damsel the media desperately wants her to be.
      Sep 3
    • Chase
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      Nonezo, did her tweet show any evidence? Do you have any evidence? Or are you just being a SJW who blindly follows the laws of Twitter?
      Sep 3
    • Twitch nonezo
      Chase, are you accusing her of breaking the law? Do you not believe in innocent until proven guilty?
      Sep 3
    • Chase
      ptgi36

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      I’m calling her claims unsubstantiated and baseless. No evidence, so as far as I’m concerned she can seek attention some other way.
      Sep 4
    • Twilio / Eng Chillcrest
      regardless of where you are politically, Zoe has and always will be a professional victim that leeches off of the current CSR trend of political correctness
      Sep 28
  • Apple
    TWB-tWBu16

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    I never worked with the guy so it’s impossible for me to know whether they were correct to fire him or not. Most likely they were, maybe they weren’t. I doubt any company is going to fire a guy over an accusation if he is a good teammate and has no history of being creepy.
    Sep 1 2
    • Unity Lvl5Thug
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      Oh if you only knew
      Sep 1
    • Chase
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      You’re wildly optimistic. All it takes is a finger pointed at you from Twitter and your entire life is over. What is said can’t be unsaid. It plants the seed of doubt immediately, and regardless of your innocence, you are now toxic for anyone to be associated with you. Hence, it’s 10x easier for the company to simply let you go and hire a replacement so they don’t have the finger pointed at them, too.

      Harassment absolutely needs to be addressed and solved, but combating it with additional harassment seems a bit hypocritical.
      Sep 1
  • Google eK8vhD
    This better not resurrect Gamergate drama.

    E: Also this is why serious accusations like this need to be reported to law enforcement first rather than the news media or god forbid the Twitter user base. Now the chance of a proper follow-up is dead and all we have left are wild, politically motivated speculation and bickering.
    Sep 1 1
    • Activision Blizzard heepi
      Would also help if companies didn’t snap to fire people immediately when somebody posts a twitter accusation.
      Sep 2
  • BigCommerce SmOp78
    I believe her
    Sep 8 2
    • I do, too, and I also believe she’s nuts. But this sounds like a story of a toxic relationship, not some problem of “being a woman in the games industry”.
      Sep 28
    • Apple
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      Yeah, unfortunately people don’t seem to realize that just because a girl is nuts doesn’t mean that the guy can’t also be a danger to her
      Sep 28
  • Apple
    TWB-tWBu16

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    It sucks for Alec Holowka and his family that Alec committed suicide. But people need to stop acting like he was an innocent victim and stop blaming Zoe Quinn.

    If you read Scott Benson’s blog post on Medium, it’s clear Alec had major mental health issues and was extremely abusive.

    You shouldn’t believe an accusation of sexual assault with no evidence. But you also can’t ignore it if lots of people accused Alec of assault and harassment and fights.

    The only people who are mad are the accuser are people who haven’t researched this case at all. I support the #MeTop movement because I want people to stop sexual assaulting other people. I am glad people like Zoe Quinn are brave enough to call people out by name for sexual assault or other terrible behavior.
    Sep 4 2
    • Unity Lvl5Thug
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      Actually you have no idea who Zoe Quinn is or what she's done in the past. It's not hard to do a Google search... Anyway
      Sep 6
    • Apple
      TWB-tWBu16

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      I know who she is
      Sep 9
  • Riot Games SinOfGreed
    Imagine still believing ZQ, the professional victim
    Sep 3 0
  • Fastmail ajdnfbf2
    This is hilarious!! If you choose to voluntarily enter a relationship with a mentally ill trans imbecile like ZQ (http://archive.is/rLCqR ), then you 100% deserve all the misery that is guaranteed to head your way. No sympathy for this fool whatsoever
    Sep 4 0
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    • Mapbox / Eng zZisUrp
      Are you fucking kidding me
      Sep 1
    • Chase
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      Yea I’m not really following why that’s relevant?
      Sep 1
  • Copperleaf Technologies QqiQ14
    Sep 28 0
  • Indeed / Eng Dowshoult
    Zoe is at it again huh
    Sep 28 0
  • typical dumb chicken head behavior, cost this guy his life
    Sep 4 0

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