Gender gap in tech

Nokia / Engugh ok
May 6 51 Comments

I’ve been getting a few gender-gap mails of late and this irritates me a bit as a woman. I find it completely absurd that people aren’t aware of the ratio of women:men. If there are 10 women in a team of 50, that’s because when we were in school taking CS courses, there were 10 of us in a class of 50. I assume the number of applications (or even deserving people) for a req, would be of the same ratio. I am completely against inequal pay for the same work, but I fail to understand how and why can someone want it to be 1:1. Thoughts please?

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  • Uber / EngnYf6sJ
    Because they liberal.
    May 63
    • Nokia / Engugh ok
      OP
      Is that synonymous to being stupid?
      May 6
    • New / Biz Devstarlord42
      💯
      May 6
    • Apple
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      Correct
      May 6
  • Flagged by the community.

  • Amazon PotatoSale
    Finally someone gets it!
    I've been saying this for years. In my undergrad classes there was only 5-10 girls in a class of 40 or 50. This was the complete opposite in some other majors. For example in my psychology class out of 100 or so student only 10 were male.
    If you want more gender balance in the software industry you have to start at the root of the problem by encouraging more females to go into computer science and/or engineering. But no one wants to admit that because that takes real effort and time to see results. Those "VPs of diversity" wouldn't be able to get their fat bonuses based on forced diversity numbers.

    Going back to the fundamental problem, I think one of the root causes is with the US secondary school system. The rampant bullying of "nerds" discourages many kids from even displaying interest in science and engineering.

    Another thing I want to mention is that the gender gap in CS classes drastically improved when I got into grad school. This was because there were many female international students, mostly from India and China. From what I've heard from friends, no one bullies you for being the smart "nerdy" kid.
    May 620
    • PayPal / Eng
      PayPal?

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      So now you're saying you should hire the minimum qualified minority and pay them less? 😂
      May 6
    • VMware / Project
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      I'm saying that is what is happening because there's a surplus of candidates. And wages outside of FANG and unemployed and underemployed 'over-qualified' people is a consequence.
      May 6
    • PayPal / Eng
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      But we aren't talking about what's happening. You are justifying it and calling it correct. I'm saying that hiring the less-qualified in the name of diversity is not the way to go.
      May 6
    • VMware / Project
      PpxT00

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      Inviting more people of either gender to the STEM party just means faster replacement by cheaper yet 'good enough' workers just as you get enough YOE to ask for more$. Most work requires slow and steady and frankly is boring work rather than rock stars and cutting edge innovation. Rock stars are pricey.
      May 6
    • VMware / Project
      PpxT00

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      PpxT00more
      Weirdly it cuts both ways, it's good for society to bring in minorities, but the business justification is that it's cost effective for the shareholders
      May 6
    • PayPal / Eng
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      How is this good for the society when you're leaving the perfectly good (sometimes better) majority in the dust? This is a slapstick solution and not a well thought out one.
      May 6
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    • PayPal / Eng
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      This just leads to further issues since by your own admissal, you hired the minimum qualified. So they get overlooked for promotions and appraisals. It doesn't just stop at hiring.
      May 6
    • VMware / Project
      PpxT00

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      If we had national healthcare and a basic living stipend in the US I suppose all those experienced, genius, over achievers whose skills would be wasted on routine, boring work would be free to do something amazing and innovative instead.

      Step 1 hiring a qualified, instead of most qualified, diverse work force to free up all the geniuses so they can build that society up.
      Step 2 smart folks lobby for a better social safety net so they don't starve while creating the next big thing
      Step 3 society focuses all those smart people and money on big problems
      Step 4 singularity!
      May 6
    • Uber / EngnYf6sJ
      One sentence to summarize:
      Poor dumb people become rich and force rich smart people to become poor.
      May 6
  • Microsoft jT47lg
    Anything to focus on rather than building excellent products and destroying the competition. I wonder how a company truly run by SJWs is going to survive in the marketplace.
    May 63
    • New / Eng
      TechLeed

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      SJW VCs are all the rage. Oh wait, social justice doesn't actually make money...
      May 6
    • Nokia like a lul
      They paint a horrible picture for the rest
      May 6
    • New / Eng666 666
      SJWs do not need to make money, they just need to get enough power to send us to concentration re-education boot-camps.
      May 6
  • PayPal / Eng
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    Interesting that you should mention this. There's another thread going on with an HR defending equal quotas for women in ThoughtWorks.
    May 68
    • Nokia like a lul
      How can you defend it?!!
      May 6
    • PayPal / Eng
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      Using the same crap every SJW uses. Saying that it inculcates better workplace culture. They even have a post about it on their website, specifically mentioning that they hire equal number of men and women.
      May 6
    • Nokia like a lul
      ThoughtWorks is going down the drain then lmao. How stupid does one have to be.
      May 6
    • New / Eng
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      Well the thought process is you can slow down hiring to find the best of each gender in parallel or what you do is hire underperforming women to fit your quota which results in worst software which, tbh, who cares when the VC is paying for it and you're just waiting to exit.
      May 6
    • Amazon PotatoSale
      Isn't taking someone's gender into consideration when making a hiring decision illegal?
      Obviously, you cannot enforce a fixed ratio between genders like that with out taking gender into account.
      May 6
    • New / Eng
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      The way to get around it is preferred treatment. Everyone has an opportunity but if you just slow the process for one gender and not the other you can say you accept all, but most reciend their applications after the delay
      May 6
    • Uber / EngnYf6sJ
      Don't worry, the democrats will change the laws so that not only race can be considered, but gender and religion too.
      May 6
    • New / Eng
      TechLeed

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      Good thing the California Democrats literally cannot be voted out, even for other Democrats
      May 6
  • Northrop Grumman HowCouldYu
    That’s still more than aerospace engineering
    May 63
    • SpaceX ________
      *cries in corner together*
      May 6
    • Nokia like a lul
      lmao yea the ratio is probably best in cs
      May 6
    • Capital One blindbat
      I think it’s best in bioengineering tbh
      May 6
  • Nokia like a lul
    The reason why people are being hired on h1 visas is the lack of skilled workers. Similarly, gender inequality also stands in tech atleast.
    May 64
    • VMware / Project
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      As much as I am a fan of a globally mobile work force, h1 visas are a cost control fiction not a real supply problem.
      May 6
    • PayPal / Eng
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      I know h1 workers who earn more than their American counterparts. What's your point?
      Also, that isn't the discussion.
      May 6
    • Nokia like a lul
      Are people on h1 generally paid less for the same work?
      May 6
    • PayPal / Eng
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      If you're in a reputed firm, then no.
      May 6
  • Intel Act2016
    When all the hullabaloo started on urms that was my take too. Out of my engineering class of 120. There were 2 woman. 1 Vietnamese and 1 Caucasian

    I total support open the doors and encourage young people to take it on as a career but it can’t be artificially fixed without dumbing it down.

    Also a recent experience we have had some all night sw debuts due to a deadline. A couple of females won’t stay. They are obviously not as energized as the male engineers. There is a predisposition based on genes or environment ? I will leave it there
    May 60
  • New cingab
    HR can't understand this though. They never went to school
    May 60
  • LinkedIn killerarya
    The more gender equal a society is, the more men and women choose different professions. The countries that are the most repressive have the most gender balanced professions.

    Let people choose their professions. Stop trying to force women into engineering.
    May 60

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