I’ve been getting a few gender-gap mails of late and this irritates me a bit as a woman. I find it completely absurd that people aren’t aware of the ratio of women:men. If there are 10 women in a team of 50, that’s because when we were in school taking CS courses, there were 10 of us in a class of 50. I assume the number of applications (or even deserving people) for a req, would be of the same ratio. I am completely against inequal pay for the same work, but I fail to understand how and why can someone want it to be 1:1. Thoughts please?
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- Finally someone gets it!
I've been saying this for years. In my undergrad classes there was only 5-10 girls in a class of 40 or 50. This was the complete opposite in some other majors. For example in my psychology class out of 100 or so student only 10 were male.
If you want more gender balance in the software industry you have to start at the root of the problem by encouraging more females to go into computer science and/or engineering. But no one wants to admit that because that takes real effort and time to see results. Those "VPs of diversity" wouldn't be able to get their fat bonuses based on forced diversity numbers.
Going back to the fundamental problem, I think one of the root causes is with the US secondary school system. The rampant bullying of "nerds" discourages many kids from even displaying interest in science and engineering.
Another thing I want to mention is that the gender gap in CS classes drastically improved when I got into grad school. This was because there were many female international students, mostly from India and China. From what I've heard from friends, no one bullies you for being the smart "nerdy" kid.
- Inviting more people of either gender to the STEM party just means faster replacement by cheaper yet 'good enough' workers just as you get enough YOE to ask for more$. Most work requires slow and steady and frankly is boring work rather than rock stars and cutting edge innovation. Rock stars are pricey.
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- If we had national healthcare and a basic living stipend in the US I suppose all those experienced, genius, over achievers whose skills would be wasted on routine, boring work would be free to do something amazing and innovative instead.
Step 1 hiring a qualified, instead of most qualified, diverse work force to free up all the geniuses so they can build that society up.
Step 2 smart folks lobby for a better social safety net so they don't starve while creating the next big thing
Step 3 society focuses all those smart people and money on big problems
Step 4 singularity!
- Microsoft jT47lgAnything to focus on rather than building excellent products and destroying the competition. I wonder how a company truly run by SJWs is going to survive in the marketplace.
- Interesting that you should mention this. There's another thread going on with an HR defending equal quotas for women in ThoughtWorks.
- Well the thought process is you can slow down hiring to find the best of each gender in parallel or what you do is hire underperforming women to fit your quota which results in worst software which, tbh, who cares when the VC is paying for it and you're just waiting to exit.
- The reason why people are being hired on h1 visas is the lack of skilled workers. Similarly, gender inequality also stands in tech atleast.
- Intel Act2016When all the hullabaloo started on urms that was my take too. Out of my engineering class of 120. There were 2 woman. 1 Vietnamese and 1 Caucasian
I total support open the doors and encourage young people to take it on as a career but it can’t be artificially fixed without dumbing it down.
Also a recent experience we have had some all night sw debuts due to a deadline. A couple of females won’t stay. They are obviously not as energized as the male engineers. There is a predisposition based on genes or environment ? I will leave it there