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Gently forced to hire women

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SYen68

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Dec 14, 2018

Have any managers been politely or gently told that you should hire a woman on your team? I just hired a very qualified female but do not want her treated like an affirmative action hire.

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  • ☝️here and we did. The manager's performance is tied to diversity objectives so .... all our team hires a few years ago were women. One of them told me straight up that the interview was easy compared to other tech companies in the valley.
    Dec 14, 20182
    • Amazon / EngGHskann
      I’ve been inside intel. The impression I got was that they are only surpassed by Google in terms of racist diversity nonsense.
      Dec 14, 2018
    • We gave them their current Diversity VP LOL!
      Dec 14, 2018
  • Google / MgmtLovedoo
    As long as you are not lowering the bar to hire a woman (who would cost less $$ anyways), you are improving diversity without compromising. Also there are some jobs that are dominated by women, ex. Marketing, customer support, PR, Corp comm, etc.
    Dec 14, 20188
    • Uber lct
      That’s mathematically impossible. Every hire is a sampling of some distribution. Disqualifying 80% of the candidates (lower bound of percentage of males in CS / SWE) reduces the expected likelihood of finding a match if same threshold is used. Only way to still find matches with same likelihood is to reduce threshold.

      Notice I’m describing it in a probabilistic context, not anecdotal / specific to a case.
      Dec 14, 2018
    • Google / MgmtLovedoo
      True. This is a case for slightly lower threshold that can be workable as long as the company spends enough resources on training and development. Diversity is not gender diversity alone. Under represented populations are also part of diversity. The core idea being this is more representative of society in general. About women, keep this stay in mind about Stem education: The percentage of PhDs in STEM fields in the U.S. earned by women is about 42%, whereas the percentage of PhDs in all fields earned by women is about 52%.
      Dec 14, 2018
    • Uber Ieip
      STEM is less representative of tech. Certain fields like biology and chemistry indeed have plenty of women, but are not relevant to silicon valley. You could, for example, look through the graduate students section of Stanford’s CS lab: https://cs.stanford.edu/directory/phd-students

      CMU CS: https://www.cs.cmu.edu/directory/csd

      A cursory glance suggests that the number of female students is far below 50%.

      According to UCLA, only 18% of degrees in CS are earned by women: http://newsroom.ucla.edu/stories/cracking-the-code:-why-aren-t-more-women-majoring-in-computer-science

      Now, I think this could be addressed, but I’m not sure how. Perhaps directly targeting those that have an innate interest in the subject but decide against it due to pressures or norms. I’m not a fan of handing out freebies based only on gender to entice people in.
      Dec 14, 2018
    • Google / MgmtLovedoo
      Is Silicon Valley the niche bubble you want to focus your diversity on or do you want to look at a macro trend?
      Dec 14, 2018
    • Uber Ieip
      I’m not sure what you mean. I thought silicon valley was the topic of our discussion here.
      Dec 14, 2018
    • Google / MgmtLovedoo
      If you look at the original question, there is no mention of Silicon Valley or this being restricted to one kind go tech
      Dec 14, 2018
    • Uber Ieip
      Ok, fair. So the question is - in fields like bio / chem where there are much more women with the corresponding degrees, are women still underrepresented?

      The other thing is - since women are underrepresented in EE / CS, is “affirmative action” at places of employment a suitable solution?
      Dec 14, 2018
    • GoDaddy :Kappa:
      Grad student departments lean international and therefore lean male. Look at undergrad numbers for better comparison. Example:

      10-15% of MIT CS grad students are female, but like 45% of ugrad are female.

      And yes, women are underrepresented in STEM academia (where most bio/chem degrees go). Harassment of female faculty is very much still a thing at your average local university, btw.
      Dec 14, 2018
  • Amazon / EngGHskann
    A quota to hire more women is sexist... Sounds like one of those incompetent top-down mandates you hear about communist states, like the Great Leap Forward.
    Dec 14, 20182
    • Autodesk / EngVjvcjko
      😀 capitalism sucks less this way atleast, all the tech we’ve all been working hard to build is stupid and worthless anyway
      Dec 14, 2018
    • Amazon / EngGHskann
      Yep, I do agree! Just a matter of time before the pendulum swings even harder, and smacks contemporary liberals in their authoritarian @sses.
      Dec 14, 2018
  • Amazon uaPi85
    I was told by my boss only to look at women’s resumes and discard the men’s
    Dec 14, 20181
    • Intercontinental Exchange / EngArcYvb
      Is that for aws
      Dec 14, 2018
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    jamal

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    10yoe BI/DW/python
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    Dec 14, 20183
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      I work for a private company based outside NA.
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    • Microsoft ivanka
      News from California sound like The Onion. The state is fucked beyond return.
      Jan 5
    • Google / MgmtEphemerl
      Why isn't anyone suing this for discrimination?
      Jan 12
  • SpaceX / Engplmoknij
    Yes. (Not at current company)
    Dec 14, 20180
  • Microsoft / Consultantnutsy
    Microsoft has this new forced diversity metric where interviewers and Hiring Managers are told verbally that that mandatorily need to meet a diversity ‘scorecard’
    Dec 14, 20180
  • Amazon Awse
    Happened to me
    Dec 14, 20180

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