How often do you see people get fired? Does it take a long time to fire someone? What happens to their unvested stock?
I knew someone that got on PIP, then fired. He literally did not do his job. He just showed up to work (sometimes) and dicked around. All his unvested RSUs were forfeit, but I think he was paid for a month or something after.
I was put in PIP and then asked to leave. Ask me anything
Why did they put you on PiP?
What was the process like? Severance package if you don’t mind sharing? How did you tell potential new employer about why you left Amazon?
PIP is simply company covering its own ass.
Yep, PIP is just a legal step to throw you out without a severance check.
My friend yelled at their manager and was also asked to sign a document in their company. What's the rationale behind it? This was despite his apology to his manager in front of skip level in a 2:1
Once you are on a pip, look for a new job right away. The pip will give you a timeline idea about how long you have at the company.
Is it much harder to find a job after you've been let go?
In the last ~4yrs in AWS I've only seen one person 'fired/pip'd'. It happens like any other company, but it not as common as you hear on blind. More commonly, engineers stops getting new stock grants, are slowly delegated unwanted tasks until they either get the hint or get pissed off and leave.
Anyone from other FANG to share their “pip” stories? No severance as well?
Usually PIP is lots of work for a manger and HR. As such, a manager will look to negotiate for you resign. If you don’t want to sign PIP, settle for 2 months. PIP will usually take two months to execute after which you will rarely survive and will be terminated. Also, for legal reasons, companies will only say your employment dates and not why you are no longer working there. Going thru PIP will be stressful for one.
So average performance is enough to fire a person?
This is BS. A lot of big companies have a terminal level. You can be average and sit there for lifetime. It's a different story that when an axe falls on a department and someone has to be let go, these people could be the very first ones.
They lose unvested stock. Time it takes depends on the issue - I’ve seen same day firings for some offenses where the person crossed a line. But mostly takes a while and person has a chance to show that they can pull back and be successful.
Invested or vested?
Corrected! Unvested.