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Going from Amazon L5 to Google L3 a bad idea?

Amazon / EngSde-π 
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Comp seems to be similar on levels.fyi, if my interview got approval but was leveled at L3, do you think it's better that I stay put?

SDE/SWE, TC $180

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  • Amazon ✊ThanosJS
    What are you smoking? L5 at Amazon maps to L4 at Google in comp. I'm L5 and my comp is 250K. This is way above the band for L3 at Google... Are you not as confident with yourself? Looks like you aren't working on interesting and growth inducing projects in Amazon...
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    • Google nooglerx
      I think you are smoking something. What is the minimum comp for L5 at Amazon bay area? I can show you several threads for L3 comp matching that.
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    • Amazon ✊ThanosJS
      No you are smoking something. I don't know what that is. But my L4 comp was 176K. That has to match Google E3.
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    • New / Eng
      remus808

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      Google L3 Comp can be as high as $225k for those coming from other top companies
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    • Amazon ChiknTikka
      nooglerx: you are doing it wrong. Google bands are soft, very different from Amazon bands which are rigid. Target comp at Amazon very very rarely goes out of band while at Google it happens regularly.
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    • Microsoft Draven
      Way above??? L3 offer can be 270k.
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  • Google / Product
    mcIM55

    GoogleProduct

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    I would expect a lot of pressure to go for promo from L3 to L4 within a short time.
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    • Synopsys wFatDuck
      Pressure from whom?
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    • New / Eng
      remus808

      NewEng

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      Disagree. For eng, pressure to go for promo is rare. Managers don't care about it if you don't
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  • Google nooglerx
    Levels.fyi is biased with amazon levels. In no sane world amazon level L4 is bigger than google L3 and same for L5 -> L4 mapping.
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    • New / Eng
      remus808

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      How would you map them? Have you worked at both companies?
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    • Amazon ChiknTikka
      Agree that L4 at Amazon is pretty narrow since promo bar to L5 is pretty low. But Amazon L5 is a very broad band since promo to L6 and L6 hire from outside are both brutally hard. I know Amazon L5s that would clearly be Google T3s at best and those that would obviously be Google T5s. But the majority would be T4s.
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    • Google nooglerx
      Yes and that’s what my issue with levels.fyi is. Amazon’s levels should be similar to FB’s. Amazon L4 is no way bigger band than Google L3. Same for L5, I know of many L4 at Google who will easily be E5 at fb, since Google loves to downlevel.
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  • Amazon btsfan
    I wouldn't go as L3. I am a L5 but 5 yoe with 250k tc in seattle. If you are a recently promoted L5 ie less than 2 yoe, maybe. But even then I wouldn't. Retry next year as L4
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  • Apple JobsAtApp
    Very bad.
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