Going to switch companies, manager offering promotion now, confused.

Amazon / Eng simsux
May 14, 2018 36 Comments

I am Sde 2 in Amazon . Have been Sde2 from past 4.5 years( Top ratings throughout , victim of reorgs). Currently leading my team and charter. I have no issues with team ,.however it felt my org is pretty unstable (frequent leadership changes) . Also my hike has been 0.4% base, no stocks. Casually tried my luck outside and converted couple of companies (FAANG) with decent bay bump.

Told my manager on Friday about leaving the company.
He looked stumped. Anyways he setup another 1-1 meeting for today and mentioned his plans of putting me up for promotion next quarter. He also mentioned that he has been aligning director from past 3-4 months and is pretty confident of promoting me in Q3. Infact I got a meeting invite from my Director's EA for tomorrow, subject is to discuss my growth options. Strangely before when ever i asked my manager about promotions , he always mentioned he is looking for more data points on something or the other. I asked him today about this and he said he was anyways planning to talk to me by this month end on promotion.
I asked about comp as well, he said he tried his best in annual review but I am already way beyond my target.

Anyways, I am pretty much comfortable in current setting. Should I wait out for promo , or should I still go ahead with switch . If I do go ahead will it burn any bridges since they are now putting in efforts for my promotion ?
Anyone has prior experience with similar development ?

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TOP 36 Comments
  • Facebook / Eng CRbc25
    Your manager sounds like a fuckboi. Take the external offer.
    May 14, 2018 1
    • Amazon / Eng simsux
      OP
      You are right, check my update
      May 15, 2018
  • New / Eng
    RapER

    New Eng

    PRE
    Uber, Amazon
    RapERmore
    Just leave. These things never work out.

    Fucked #1 your managers transfers group or leaves before your promotion.

    Fucked #2 your manager says it was really close, but there some people that were a bit better. Next quarter should be a slam dunk.

    Fucked #3 they have to lay some people off and ask you to leave since you already told them when you were thinking about.

    Fucked #4 you are now considered disloyal and your manager and skip level will treat you accordingly going forward.
    May 14, 2018 2
    • Oracle buoOY
      Nice.. comprehensive answer!!
      May 14, 2018
    • Amazon lvng
      Ditto
      May 14, 2018
  • Microsoft wVSn44
    Looks like the manager made up the promo thing in reaction to your external offer news. As others said, you are better off leaving. Maybe offer them few more weeks of service and offer to bring someone else in the team up to speed. This will mean you don't want to burn Bridges from your side. In case you get screwed for whatever reason, you will not be carrying any blame as you went the extra step.
    May 14, 2018 1
    • Amazon / Eng simsux
      OP
      Yup agreed, sounds reasonable. I like idea of few more weeks.
      May 14, 2018
  • Google Joker!
    I wouldn't stay unless you know you're irreplaceable. Usually when you give notice of leaving, it's strongly advised not to accept counter or in your case, promise of promotion. Right now they need you so they want to keep you. As soon as they can replace you, they will let you go or show you the way little by little and you won't have the leverage you have now.
    May 14, 2018 2
    • Amazon / Eng simsux
      OP
      Thanks for the insight. Since I have been with the space/domain longest and know all tribal data etc, they can't immediately replace me. But I am positive anyone with some ramp up time can get up to speed. Not sure about whether my manage is genuine or is it just ploy to keep me longer.
      May 14, 2018
    • Google Joker!
      Maybe I'm jaded and too pessimistic but I wouldn't risk it in this case and leave. I had best of my growth in moving to new companies because I have seen that people are expendable to companies and there's no loyalty when it comes to companies having your back. It's all about having leverage.
      May 14, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng simsux
    OP
    Just an update, I agree with general consensus, it's more of a ploy. So I went ahead and told my manager today that I will be leaving and thanked him for promo efforts. He asked me if I could delay it by 3 months(some project) and also told that it would help my rehire eligibility. Wtf!! , putting in my 2 week notice.
    May 15, 2018 3
    • Amazon / Eng asdzxc
      Good job! Good luck!
      May 15, 2018
    • Quora thebumble
      That's insane! He just threatened you for your career at Amazon! I'd report that to the HR. But wait.. HR is part of the system at Amazon from what I've heard so maybe no respite.
      May 15, 2018
    • Google Joker!
      Haha! So he basically confirmed why he made up the promotion thing cause they need you for next 3 months and after that you're expendable. Good job with giving the notice.
      May 16, 2018
  • Microsoft MrHyde🤖🤖
    Can managers really make such promises one quarter early? I've generally heard no
    May 14, 2018 2
    • Amazon / Eng simsux
      OP
      So in Amazon for most of the orgs, promotions are now quarterly. So I guess there is some time in promotion for Q3.
      May 14, 2018
    • Quora thebumble
      Promotion is not in your manager's hand. He can only put the packet forward and discuss. So any claim of promoting you for sure is bs.
      May 14, 2018
  • Amazon uhsvtyv
    You have to leave, you will regret staying you will nver regret leaving. The promo talk is just a lie to make you stay. It's marketing
    May 14, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Eng techm
    Just wanted to share my story.... Same situation as OP.. manager reneged on promotion bump after I had declined external offer and accepted the counter offer. Luckily, I managed to back pedal with the external company the following week after declining..... Don't take the counter and don't assume your manager's interests are aligned with yours
    May 16, 2018 1
    • Quora thebumble
      I sometimes wonder why people do things like these. Ideally, a manager would grow in stature by growing people under them but seems like the system is somehow rewarding in screwing people.

      An Indian friend of mine had even more horrific story. The manager convinced him to switch close to his L6 promotion and offered to provide him time to take care of his ailing wife. Once he joined, manager's colors changed. No talk about promotion. No support for family situation. My friend went into severe depression. Luckily his previous manager was a lady of integrity. She took him back and promoted him to L6 in 3 months. That manager got chewed up by the GM and got thrown out aptly. Ironically, the manager himself had an ailing wife and had to undergo similar cruelty he subjected my friend to. He got what he deserved eventually.

      That shameless person eventually resigned and is now in a shithole and reached out to my friend again. I mean how can you be so bold?

      Sometimes I wonder if these people just have no conscience?
      May 16, 2018
  • Quora thebumble
    Promotion will never happen. Take this from me in writing as this exact story got played out with someone I know.

    I'm sorry to say this but they don't value you. You are a low risk for them so they have neither given you opportunities nor considered your growth. If you don't believe me, pick your review of this year and see your hike and refresher. If you were any closer to promotion, it'd be astonishing in comparison to previous years.

    These guys are just buying time. Either you are working on something critical or you have enough knowledge that if you leave now, it'd put the team at risk for sometime. They want to minimize that hence they're giving you sweet pill/carrot.

    Also, do you think you can do anything if they come back and say they couldn't do anything? No! The only way for you to win is for you to either leave or for them to match compensation right now to retain you. This has happened in my knowledge and if they tell you anything other than that, they're fooling you.

    Always remember for the rest of your career: if your manager values you, he'd move mountains for you. If not, good riddance!
    May 14, 2018 1
    • Amazon / Eng simsux
      OP
      Well put and bang on. This is what it looks like
      May 15, 2018
  • New snorks
    Get out of there. They didnt value you till you were on your way out. That yells you everything you need to know.
    May 14, 2018 1
    • Amazon / Eng simsux
      OP
      Agreed
      May 15, 2018
  • Amazon Iamneutral
    Do you have some critical deliverables which will get impacted if you leave? If yes, they are buying time by playing this strategy. Can you tell your director to give you in writing for your promo? I bet he won't.
    May 14, 2018 1
    • Facebook IPGP08
      100 percent this . At the end of the day you are comparing promesses of future gain vs actual offer from the new employer.
      May 14, 2018
  • Oracle sute7
    Don't be a fool, And leave. Manager didn't care until u resigned.
    May 14, 2018 0
  • Oracle buoOY
    Are they promising a decent raise when promotion happens? If not, then no point in staying.
    May 14, 2018 1
    • Amazon / Eng simsux
      OP
      So if promotion happens ,I will get hike in my total compensation . However since I am already beyond my current target compensation I am not getting any immediate raise.
      May 14, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng asdzxc
    Get out now, you no longer have a real value! You are inly needed short term and will be pushed out
    May 14, 2018 0
  • Intuit Uhagd
    This thread has been very insightful. Everyone has advised the OP correctly. 👏
    Jun 23, 2018 0
  • Zulily Zuperman
    What level are you going to be in your new offers?
    May 15, 2018 0
  • Google / Eng
    Th@tPerson

    Google Eng

    PRE
    Amazon
    Th@tPersonmore
    I think it is standard Amazon playbook. I was told the same when I offered to leave when just a month before the same manager told me I had to put a lot of work before I can be considered for promo.

    My advice is to leave right away, you will regret otherwise.
    May 15, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Eng xgIO00
    Don't even think. Leave. You won't win too much by getting promoted.
    May 15, 2018 0
  • Yahoo ItsTime
    now or never. ask him to show u the promotion with a fat increase in salary or piss off. dont fall for management charms. he might just hire a replacement in a quarter and flip u off
    May 14, 2018 0
  • GitHub / Eng fbXx74
    Stay a little longer so you can transition your responsibilities (like 4-6 weeks) and negotiate a retention-like bonus.
    May 14, 2018 0

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