Good guy with a gun: A fallacy?

Amazon Coatl
Jun 20 83 Comments

Found this video today which I think made great points:

https://youtu.be/gxEg2-bWM9M

I know nothing about this guy's experience, but after checking out his videos on police brutality, it seems that he knows way more than I do on dealing with violence.

Some quotes I found interesting:

"So, every good guy with a gun out there knows what happens next: he unlocked his car grabbed that weapon and move to engage the threat, right? No, of course not. Because this isn't the comment section, this is real life."

"Everybody has this image, that they're a superhero... and they know how they are going to respond, You don't... 96% of people will do what he did."

"He is not ex-military, not an ex-cop, not trained and conditioned to kill. Untrained people do one thing really well in combat, die."

"This is not a problem that's going to be solved by legislation, it's a cultural thing, we've got to get rid of the idea that the gun makes the man"

What does Blind think?

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TOP 83 Comments
  • Oath Atinlay2
    This guy is a hack and he’s wrong
    Jun 20 37
    • Oath Atinlay2
      Not if you don’t know if the intruder is armed or not. You gonna wait around long enough to find out for sure? I’m not!
      Jun 20
    • Amazon Coatl
      OP
      Well, if I was armed, yes, I’d like to get more details on what’s going on before having someone’s death on my conscience, yes. Is that smart? Probably not, but I know that type of thinking gets innocent people killed.
      Jun 20
    • Oath Atinlay2
      Waiting around is going to cost you more than you want to pay.
      Jun 20
    • Amazon Coatl
      OP
      Well I don’t really own a gun in the first place, so yeah.
      Jun 20
    • Marqeta / Eng ' '
      That fat old boomer at Parkland was just trying to collect a paycheck and make it to retirement.

      Blame the department for hiring and retaining obviously dead weight.

      As an aside, every school cop I've ever known was given their posting either because they were too incompetent or too old and physically incapable to do anything more important than being a glorified hall monitor.
      Jun 20
  • Amazon 10022004
    I 100% think good guy with a gun is a fallacy. I served in the military. I’ve seen people with thousands of hours of specialized training piss their pants in the face of danger. I refuse to believe some overweight bubba that hits the range twice a month has the constitution and wherewithal to react appropriately in a high stress situation.
    Jun 20 1
    • Amazon Coatl
      OP
      I think that is pretty much the point this guy is making on the video, that It takes serious training / conditioning to act on a way that won't get you killed.
      Jun 20
  • Uber / Eng mH7bSe
    Oh but the criminals, without any training or even practicing at a gun range, have no problem facing a gun in your hands?
    They are automatically more brave than you?
    Jun 20 5
    • Amazon Coatl
      OP
      This is not about being brave, it’s about being effective in a combat situation. Criminals usually not only care less about survival than most people but usually belong to the 4% that has no issues killing people. And those in gangs do receive a better type of training than gun range, as they participate on real shoot outs.
      Jun 20
    • Microsoft pJcW86
      The guy doing the shooting has a lot easier time that the guy being shot at trying to pull a gun to shoot back...
      Jun 21
    • Uber / Eng mH7bSe
      Well, pull the gun and shoot first. Let the criminals shoot back then.
      Jun 21
    • Microsoft pJcW86
      Shoot first and ask questions later amiryte
      Jun 21
    • Uber / Eng mH7bSe
      In your own house, sure. Shoot first.
      Jun 21
  • Google 8HqmS1
    I thought defensive gun purchases are mostly for the home anyway?

    A shotgun pump as more than enough to deter most home invaders.
    Jun 20 10
    • Amazon Coatl
      OP
      I disagree, I don’t think he is arguing against gun ownership at all.
      Jun 20
    • Google 8HqmS1
      I would hazard a guess and say that the criminals in Mexico stepped up their game first, and to match each other instead of for the random home invasion.
      Jun 20
    • Amazon Coatl
      OP
      Well yes and no, they stepped up to match the government reaction first, then each other and at the end even average criminals ended up stepping up as well.
      Jun 20
    • Uber / Eng mH7bSe
      "buy a shot gun" - the stupid curing cancer Biden.
      Have you tried to shoot a shotgun with 18.5" longer barrel and buck shot ammo?
      It's fking heavy, loooooong, and kicking hard. It's hard to turn in hall way. And it's not for most women.
      Jun 21
    • Uber / Eng mH7bSe
      re: Mexico
      We shouldn't have police then. Look Mexico what the gangs did when they have police looking for their trouble.
      Jun 21
  • E*Trade / Finance cbEV72
    Not fallacy. It’s me
    Jun 20 12
  • EMC yskV77
    It’s not at all a fallacy

    Here is an instance of a good guy with a gun putting down a bad guy https://komonews.com/news/local/police-responding-to-shooting-at-tumwater-walmart

    Literally kids can kill burglars and etc. it’s really easy to point and pull the trigger. There are tons of instances of good guys with guns
    Jun 21 3
    • Netflix mr.clippy
      You’re not getting his point. The fallacy is this belief that good guys with guns will be everywhere. The guys point is only 4% of the population is even wired up to shoot to kill and engage. And that percentage drops drastically since most people are not trained for combat and will likely get killed or accidentally kill an innocent bystander.

      The gun doesn’t make the man. The man makes the man. (Excuse the gender stereotypes) Just like the argument goes, guns don’t kill people...people kill people. 96% of us won’t engage to be a hero.

      And there’s clearly a difference between killing in self defense and being a hero.
      Jun 21
    • EMC yskV77
      I don’t really understand what point you’re trying to make or why you’re trying to make it.
      Most people will never experience a situation like this
      Jun 21
    • Netflix mr.clippy
      🤦‍♂️ claiming ignorance as a response to the topic you’re posting about isn’t a good argument.
      Jun 21
  • Target / Eng tmDe33
    No one's going to watch your youtubez
    Jun 20 1
    • Amazon Coatl
      OP
      I don't expect them to, that's why I added the quotes that I'm more interested in discussing.
      Jun 20
  • Microsoft MSFTBRO
    Look at these comment section warriors
    Jun 20 0
  • Credit Karma EllisDee25
    Sounds about right. Guns are fine, political gun culture in the US is what’s sick.
    Jun 20 5
    • Uber / Eng mH7bSe
      You can't have guns at all if not for the gun culture.
      Jun 21
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      Do you mean because orgs like the NRA help stop the regulation of firearms? (Except when they supported restricting gun rights for black people)

      Canada didn’t have a US-like gun political culture until maybe the last decade (it’s still a minority view among gun owners) and there were plenty of people with guns in Canada. This is because guns were associated with sports and hunting, not Dirty Harry fantasies.
      Jun 21
    • Uber / Eng mH7bSe
      They will lose it. Just like Aussies.
      Jun 21
    • Credit Karma EllisDee25
      Did I mention the conspiratorial paranoia of US gun culture?
      Jun 21
    • Uber / Eng mH7bSe
      It's not. It's real. The democrats remind us it's real very often.
      Jun 21