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Good idea to max out 401k in the first few months of year?

I know that if you want to invest 19k in the market it's better to do dollar cost averaging and invest some monthly. Is this the case for 401k or Roth as well, or the brokerage handles the investment strategy? My brokerage is Fidelity, employer Microsoft. Assuming I don't need cash immidiately.

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DuQvV7x Dec 31, 2018

No. Bad. Bad. Bad.

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MSFTE OP Dec 31, 2018

Why? The reason that i said in the post?

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DuQvV7x Dec 31, 2018

Payroll is run to deduct your company match on a proportional basis to your paycheck. If you front load your 401k in say 4 months, you will be foregoing the free money that is a company match for the final 8 months of the year.

Google poogers Dec 31, 2018

Yes. Good. Good. Good.

Facebook haKI43 Dec 31, 2018

This is the right advice. Lump sum historically outperforms dollar cost averaging and MSFT has ‘true up’ so no match will be wasted. Other guy has no idea what he’s talking about.

Microsoft Tc292k Jan 1, 2019

This.

Microsoft 🐙M🐙 Dec 31, 2018

Good in that it gives you more time for growth, bad in that it doesn’t spread your investment over an even period of time. But as long as you’re making other investments and keeping them evenly spread out you should be fine

Bloomberg Terminal! Dec 31, 2018

Dollar cost averaging

Google FcSg75 Dec 31, 2018

Better to Max out in first month into a money market fund. And then move into equity over the year!

Intel superrr Jan 1, 2019

How can you move the money from money market to a 401k? The contributions should come from employer

Amazon gVNd04 Dec 31, 2018

Lump sum investing tends to perform slightly better (citation needed) because markets tend to go up more than down. Dollar averaging would be better if you're about to fall off a cliff. You can't predict the future. Dont over think it.

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jdndbfncjj Dec 31, 2018

Lump sum tends to be better, except when it isn't (right before a cliff). Depends on your risk appetite.

Google Cmcnndns Dec 31, 2018

Don’t worry about it too much. Theoretically lump sum is expected to perform better because your employer match + your money sits in the market longer. I still chose to DCA it because the markets make me nervous right now.

Google ceng Dec 31, 2018

Exactly why you should lump sum now while the market is at the bottom!

Oracle xulimuli Dec 31, 2018

And you know this is the bottom exactly how?

Pinger create💻 Dec 31, 2018

If you are changing jobs that year, check if your old or new employer matches more

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MSFTE OP Dec 31, 2018

Do you know comoanies matching more than 50% of what you pay, max $9500?

Netflix Az2H91 Dec 31, 2018

$9,800 is the max match you can get at Netflix.

Google prodaccess Dec 31, 2018

What I usually do is to max out the 19k pre-tax with the bonus in January, getting the 50% match, and then spreading out the 27k after-tax over the year.

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MSFTE OP Dec 31, 2018

I was thinking of the same, if I felt better about the markets

Microsoft rocket Dec 31, 2018

Hard to predict the outcome ... it could be a Bad idea cause you are trying to time the market (assuming right now stock are cheapest). Spreading it evenly across the year provides better returns if the market corrects/crashes further and I think there is a likelihood of that happening this year.

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MSFTE OP Dec 31, 2018

In fact contributing max as soon as you can is not timing the market. It's based on the philosophy that time in the market better than timing the market, (which I don't fully agree with). Spread over the year is more of timing the market.

Microsoft rocket Dec 31, 2018

Depends on how the event unfold ... let’s assume Q1 is the highest point for the year 2019 followed by a shallow crash in H2 2019 then you will lose more then the person who has evenly spread. FYI ... this happened to me this year when I made a 50% contribution in my bonus paycheck that covered all my 401k and unfortunately September 15 was the peak for this year and when I look at my returns it’s -10% compared to my colleagues at -6% for the same fund(bitc life)

LinkedIn vfgh215 Dec 31, 2018

If you're getting a huge bonus/check in January then pump as much as you can in 401k, less taxable dollars and more money in your paycheck throughout the year