Google | Senior management to TPM role | What to do?

Dell LUHV04
Sep 7 33 Comments

Situation:
1. Currently a director of engineering. Salary - 200K$, YOE - 11 years.
2. Applied to Engineering management and SRE management roles at google, didn't pass interviews.
3. Currently in process of interviewing for TPM role at google.

Pros:
1. Get into Google.
2. 50 to 100% increase in salary.
3. Increase future job aspects.
4. Remove possibility of lay-off since my current product not doing well.

Cons:
1. Move closer to the city, doubling housing costs.
2. Currently working from home all the time. At google, this may not happen.
3. Would not be managing people, loose the management track path.

Questions:
1. If i go from engineering director to TPM role, at a later point, when i apply for management role at google, would hiring folks consider my previous non-google management experience?
2. Would i look better applying for management role once i am inside google as compared to applying from outside?
3. Am i better off looking for management roles in other companies?
4. Would google consider people from TPM to engineering management, SRE management, TPM management, support management etc.?

Thank you.

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TOP 33 Comments
  • Uber uKWz22
    You can move back and forth between EM and TPM, especially if you have previous people management experience. The TPM role will give you good exposure across the company and you actually might like being an IC for a while. If you find a team you like as a TPM, you can then kick off the process to internally transfer back to an EM.
    Sep 7 7
    • Dell LUHV04
      OP
      Thank you for the response, and giving an overview of TPM advantages.

      To make sure my thick head gets this - You are saying - Get into FANG regardless of the role, and figure out from there on.

      1. Are internal job postings different from the ones posted on careers.google.com.
      Reason i ask this is - Trying to figure out if there is a advantage to be gained by being inside google and being exposed to more openings.

      2. W.r.t Internal hiring - In my current firm, for internal candidates, interview process is shallow (simply informally talk and if both parties good, you are hired)
      Is the internal hiring process also hiring manager chat dependent OR you still have to go thru the same process as an external candidate.
      Reason - Here again, trying to gauge advantage with being inside.
      Sep 7
    • Uber uKWz22
      They are the same jobs that externally posted, but you can usually see the hiring manager / levels / etc that aren’t publicly exposed. The internal transfer is usually much simpler. At Amazon it was an informal chat with the hiring manager / a team member or two. If both sides see a fit, you can start the transfer process. A lot less challenging than an external hire.
      Sep 7
    • Dell LUHV04
      OP
      Thank you Uber.

      Glad to hear that internal process is simpler.

      I will ask folks about the google internal hiring process in a new thread.
      Sep 7
    • Google / Mgmt
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      If you are changing job ladders/families which is what a TPM to EM transition is, you will have to go through a full loop. The hiring manager will also look at your perf scores as a deciding factor. It’s not as simple as an informal conversation.
      Sep 9
    • Dell LUHV04
      OP
      Got it .

      Essentially same as an external hire.

      The advantage is - my performance at google is a supporting factor
      Sep 10
  • New Rameny
    How about trying for other companies in FAANGMULLA ? You will likely crack EM interviews there. Many of these are comparable to Google as far as TC is concerned. They may or may not match the aura of Google.

    Thanks to Google downlevels this is quite a prevalent problem unfortunately
    Sep 7 3
    • Dell LUHV04
      OP
      Thank you for the response.

      Have only tried Microsoft earlier long time back, didn’t clear their initial coding round.

      The issue I am facing is - I am based out of east coast and almost all the FANGULLA jobs are out of west coast

      Based on stories here wrt cost of living in west coast , I am hesitant to move there
      Sep 7
    • New Rameny
      I know that problem. Number of vacancies on the East coast are much lesser , but they are there
      Sep 7
    • Dell LUHV04
      OP
      I will do one more round of searching in the afternoon , and check for those jobs
      Sep 7
  • Google exp.
    Don’t do it
    Sep 7 3
    • Dell LUHV04
      OP
      Thank you for the response.

      If possible , can you give specifics around the no ?
      Sep 7
    • Google exp.
      Less technical role, more process-oriented, might be challenging to come back to Engineering Manager after that.
      Sep 8
    • Dell LUHV04
      OP
      Thank you for your feedback.
      I will keep this in mind.
      Sep 8
  • F5 Networks RRA
    Try for a true EM role elsewhere before you resort to G. Don't tarnish yourself with TPM on the resume unless it was early on in your career.

    Having said that, if you've gotta be a TPM somewhere, G is probably the best place.
    Sep 7 7
    • Dell LUHV04
      OP
      Got it.

      Right now the situation is such that - within 6 months my current job is going to become extremely contentious , and leadership roles in other companies are hard to come by in east coast.

      So , if google offers tpm and an very high salary boost , I may have to pick it up.
      Sep 7
    • F5 Networks RRA
      I think that's sound reasoning.
      Sep 7
    • Dell LUHV04
      OP
      Thank you for your feedback
      Sep 7
    • Google / Ops Huhf13
      Tarnish? This is crazy shit. Plenty of Google TPMs go on to leadership roles at Google.
      Sep 8
    • Dell LUHV04
      OP
      Thank you google for the feedback.

      How is the transition process for internal moves like - TPM to engineering manager , SRE manager etc like ?
      Sep 8
  • Salesforce / Eng Gjjdhjekej
    Did u interview both SRE, EM roles at the same time??
    Sep 7 4
    • Dell LUHV04
      OP
      Not at same time.
      Sep 7
    • Salesforce / Eng Gjjdhjekej
      So one year gap between interviews?
      Sep 7
    • Salesforce / Eng Gjjdhjekej
      What’s the time gap between interviews? As they allow one interview for each group
      Sep 7
    • Dell LUHV04
      OP
      It was 6+ months for some
      Sep 7
  • Google / Ops Huhf13
    Lots of very junior SWEs here giving bad answers. Truth is that external hire managers are frequently unsuccessful due to culture reasons. Joining as TPM gives you time to ramp and learn culture. It also gives you exposure to directors and VPs which most SWEs don't have. TPM is the default role for managers on the bench. In a year, if you want, you'll find a team needing a manager.
    In my case, I just started doing the job and didn't even ask. Next thing I knew, I was the official team manager.
    Sep 8 1
    • Dell LUHV04
      OP
      Thank you google for the response.
      I feel lot better after reading your response.

      In terms of actual transition -
      1) do you need to go thru an official interview process like an external candidate would ?
      Or
      2) you simply talk to hiring manager and move to the management role ?
      Sep 8
  • New Rameny
    OP, Were you referred ? And did you choose all three EM, SRE EM, and TPM ? I believe they allow three choices
    Sep 7 1
    • Dell LUHV04
      OP
      No. These were not done simultaneously.

      The SRE and EM roles were interviewed at different times

      The latest one i am interviewing for is TPM.

      Sometimes refereed , sometimes directly applied
      Sep 7