Google Cloud vs. AWS

Macy's na7tKn
Aug 17 89 Comments

Which is preferred for retail and why?

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  • Jet hROD00
    No one should ever use Cloud Providers. It's an expensive joke.
    Aug 19 22
    • Jet hROD00
      Yeah I wasn't there from day 1 but I think the team I'm on was never doing F#. Still, I don't know if being there from the beginning would be a huge feather in my cap given that the only person who came out looking good out of this thing was Mark Lore.
      Aug 19
    • Amazon motard
      I'm really curious how sinking the capital investment into an adequate IT environment on bare metal that'll outlive said shitty startup is a better investment 🤔
      Aug 19
    • Jet hROD00
      If you have enough runway you'll end up saving a lot of money and it you don't have to deal with the terrible lock in.
      Aug 20
    • OfferUp Dmme30
      If you don’t understand opportunity cost, you should not give advice to startups.
      Aug 20
    • Jet hROD00
      I understand opportunity cost just fine and had my own start up. Sounds like you don't understand marginal revenue. If you are into techtrend-hopping never put your money where your mouth is.
      Aug 20
  • TripActions ohai
    Google Cloud, because everyone should be doing Kubernetes for web services and they're the only ones that do Kubernetes correctly
    Aug 17 11
    • Amazon / Eng batou
      docker container?
      Aug 17
    • Twitter
      Oomnj

      Twitter

      BIO
      It’s all shitposts and jokes - get a sense of humor!
      Oomnjmore
      Data center
      Aug 17
    • Amazon fktshit
      52 % of all kubernates workload runs on aws .
      Aug 19
    • Amazon dssa2
      Has anyone uses digital oceans kubernetes service? Is it any good?
      Aug 19
    • Nordstrom OGNord
      Even with all the gaping security risks? Don’t bother running any PCI workload on it.....
      Aug 19
  • Amazon gsgdgwhshh
    51% kubernetes workloads are running on AWS. Check how airbnb uber're running k8s on AWS.
    Aug 17 5
    • TripActions ohai
      Right... Running it themselves, not using the hosted solution.
      Aug 17
    • Amazon / Eng HoXw11
      And now AWS and Azure both have a managed k8s solution.
      Aug 17
    • TripActions ohai
      @HoXw11 lol. AWS has EKS, a "managed control plane". It is an absolutely useless service; the user is still responsible for managing the nodes, setting up the ASG rules, joining the nodes to the cluster (installing and configuring kubelet). I won't even get into the lack of a supporting ecosystem from AWS, such as terrible/utterly lacking IAM integration, container-or-even-pod level management and monitoring, etc.

      You're fooling yourself and nobody else if you're going to argue that AWS has a comparable offering to GCP, or even Azure, which has both a younger and more complete entrant into the market of "managed Kubernetes".
      Aug 17
    • Amazon / Eng
      fahrenheit

      Amazon Eng

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      Zalando
      fahrenheitmore
      What about Fargate? Genuinely curious.
      Aug 18
    • TripActions ohai
      @fahrenheit if one must to run containers on AWS (because they're already locked in and moving to k8s on GKE seems insurmountable), using ECS with a deployment type of EC2 or Fargate is the best option, although far more expensive, restrictive, and unnecessarily complex and more difficult for beginners to grok (although this is true of much of AWS and not just ECS)
      Aug 18
  • Walmart / Eng XsEg37
    Gcloud but that's for different reasons that you think - Amazon is on direct competition with retail companies
    Aug 17 7
    • The Home Depot / IT Hmr
      I see same opinion from Walmart, Target and Home Depot. Believe same with many other US retailers atleast.
      Aug 19
    • Amazon / Eng
      tt10

      Amazon Eng

      BIO
      Hmm
      tt10more
      That's shortsighted though. Just use the most economical and economical solution and compete in your core competence (retail). Look at Netflix
      Aug 19
    • Jet hROD00
      It's short-sighted to rely on a service provider by your competitors, because of the amount of lock-in that occurs and the amount of specialized assistance such large companies would require in order to fully move to the cloud (it's never actually as seamless as advertised.) Amazon could very easily sabotage Walmart's data strategy if they were stupid enough to try to put their data on the Amazon cloud.
      Aug 19
    • The Home Depot / IT Hmr
      @tt10 I don't think AWS have significan economical advantage to offset the potential risk. it's short sighted to compare Netflix va amazon to retailers vs amazon. What's core business to each of them, who has upper hand in each field, if possible conspiracy happens on spying, what's the cost of it all have to be assed. In short, it's not worth giving amazon money which will be used by amazon to compete with the same company. Ya... Amazon will still make money regardless....but nothing wrong if retailers decide not to contribute to Amazons growth by all means.
      Aug 19
    • The Home Depot / IT Hmr
      I also wonder if Netflix would choose AWS, if they have to start re building their platform today. Content they had and what amazon had when Netflix onboarded AWS is not the same today. Regardless, retailers won't see in the eyes of Netflix.
      Aug 19
  • Amazon / Mgmt N8rh4a
    AWS because it has almost every solution built-in. Most medium complexity to advanced use cases can be production-ized within a few days using easy to consume wrappers and self managing infra underneath. The cost of running your services is low and production support is by far the most superior.

    However, if you do not see yourself using a whole lot of integrated cloud services in the future and do not mind managing some of your infrastructure by yourself, you can consider alternatives.

    Disclaimer: I work for Amazon AWS.
    Aug 18 0
  • Target / Data ICOs45
    For retail? GCS. Why the hell would you give money to a competitor?
    Aug 19 4
    • Amazon FA34B
      Worked out swell for Netflix.
      Aug 19
    • Jet / Other
      gtfoorgtfo

      Jet Other

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      gtfoorgtfomore
      In every 10-K SEC filing Netflix reiterates how they “do not believe that Amazon will use AWS as to gain competitive advantage” in Item 1A “Risk Factors”
      Aug 19
    • Jet hROD00
      Definitely don't go to a competitor. Especially when you consider the severity of the lock-in.
      Aug 19
    • Walmart raise
      The only correct answer here
      Aug 19
  • Amazon amazonguy
    GCP, because I know Amazon's unbelievable amount of technical debt inside and soon enough reality will catch up. And their closed mindset and bad treatment of engineers can't have any future. Just waiting to see how long until they run out of steam.
    Aug 19 2
    • Amazon / Eng JkFde
      As if gcp is heaven 😏
      Aug 19
    • Amazon 2^blah
      Lol...sw landscape changes so much that trying to fix everything is a waste of time. You have to move fast and keep staying ahead of the curve.
      Aug 19
  • Amazon
    Chillig

    Amazon

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    Chilligmore
    Aws has several hidden charges. Google is more reasonable in price. I like GCP for my business. I moved my setup from Aws and saved 30% of hosting cost. GCP support is much better.
    Aug 19 1
    • Amazon / Eng TTAWSSSD
      TRATOR! I shall hunt you down
      Aug 19
  • Walmart yhlK78
    Azure
    Aug 19 2
    • Amazon / Eng caVn14
      I have real bad reviews of Azure
      Aug 20
    • Walmart yhlK78
      I used aws at my 2 previous jobs and azure at this one. Azure is working just fine
      Aug 20
  • Amazon / Eng xDBx
    if you are an amateur user (few IT experience), go with LightSail, DigitalOcean or Vultr. GCE or AWS is an overkill IMHO.
    Aug 19 0
  • Jet / Other
    gtfoorgtfo

    Jet Other

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    gtfoorgtfomore
    If you plan to grow to the point at which Jeff Bezos gonna notice, think twice before using AWS. If something were to happen to your contract, migration to other cloud providers could drag you way back and cost you customer base.
    Aug 19 3
    • Jet hROD00
      This. But best to just do on-prem, unless you're really worried about getting hit hard on holiday season.
      Aug 19
    • Amazon / Eng kzz
      Pretty sure Netflix long ago grew to a point where Jeff noticed it. And they've been doing just fine. Take that tin foil hat off
      Aug 19
    • Jet hROD00
      Amazon isn't really a major competitor for Netflix, but if it was, the amount of damage it can do to it would be phenomenal
      Aug 19
  • Amazon selena
    People who are saying AWS is a competition because of Amazon retail. Look at google also trying to become a retail marketplace, soon it could be a competitor too. That’s not what you should decide on.
    Aug 20 0
  • Amazon / Eng batou
    Why doesn't GKE gain traction? It must have some sorts of shortcoming.
    Aug 17 0
  • Amazon Cisco3600
    AWS is better for a retailer. (hard period)

    It is not Kubernetes btw, people commenting on kubernetes do not get the true nature of depth in cloud services. AWS has multiples of custom services that will make a retailer’s life a heaven-why they have so many services for retailers? - must be one of their key retailer customers...(any guess?) Take dynamo dB and imagine a xmas season without ddb, or managed elasticache - this service will be 10x important when you are in prod (I know retailers switching just on this one since GCP doesn’t have this) and there are 100 more custom services from call centre services to mobile app testing services which will all save $$ millions for retailers like Macy’s - do not limit your cloud conversation on compute...Compute platforms are a sign of the past and the investment on them assuming that customers will consume the compute in terms of server or a container within the next 10 years is a strategic mistake.
    Aug 20 6
    • Amazon Cisco3600
      having a service with the same intend does mean that it works - it also definitively does not mean it meets a retailer’s prod needs...
      Aug 21
    • TripActions z8pat
      What? The example layers of abstraction that I gave are zero-cost and work perfectly fine.

      They aren't necessary, and anyone who wanted to could instead choose to use a service provider's service directly. An example of this might be RDS or Google Cloud Spanner -- there aren't equivalent abstractions yet.
      Aug 21
    • Amazon Cisco3600
      Great, I didn’t know GCP Cloud Datastore and Memorystore are zero cost...Does perfectly work mean they work when you run them- or do they have better uptime?
      Aug 21
    • TripActions z8pat
      ... the layers of abstraction would be Minio and Rook; the tools that you'd run inside a Kubernetes cluster that interface with the provider's service, and are zero-cost in terms of performance.
      Aug 21
    • TripActions z8pat
      I see where we diverged. By "having a service with the same intend" you were referencing GCP's offerings that match those from AWS.

      It's Redis and NoSQL. From Google. Who dogfoods everything they run.

      I have had nothing but an extremely positive experience within the GCP ecosystem, from service performance and reliability to cost and level of complexity.
      Aug 21
  • Amazon dotard
    Google is a consumer company
    Aug 19 1
    • Amazon / Mgmt Toy Boy
      Amazon isn’t ?
      Aug 19
  • Amazon AWSr1
    Aws. It is no-brainer
    Aug 20 0
  • Wayfair olYP50
    Gcp because no chance aws will reach into your containers and look at all your systems if you get big enough
    Aug 19 0
  • Amazon / Eng Yliu
    Google for ML, AWS otherwise
    Aug 19 0
  • Uber Melina
    G Cloud is a thief. I have heard them stealing money from a startup I was helping.
    Aug 20 1
    • Amazon @hongkong
      That’s an accusation- you have something more - like how ? What ?
      Aug 20
  • Amazon CeoExtra
    OP, you might get fired if you choose GCP over AWS for Macy’s!
    Aug 19 1
    • Amazon
      Chill uu

      Amazon

      PRE
      Amazon, Microsoft
      Chill uumore
      Why do Macy's uses Aws? Amazon is killing most of retail companies one by one. Using a competitor product is stupidity. Azure and GCP are good options.
      Aug 20

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