Google Contractor lies that he's full time

Jan 21 43 Comments

An acquaintance was a contractor at Google for 6 years. He left Google to spin up his own startup. All his phone calls started with " I'm X. I worked at Google for more than 8 years."

(I know because I've overhead him plenty when I'd hangout with his GF at their home.)

My question is: Is it morally wrong of him to lie about being an employee at Google to bring in investors and new hires? Would you be bothered?

I used to be bothered but now I feel— if it did good for him then, well, why not.

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  • BCG Anon778
    Technically....he did work “at” google (assuming he was physically stationed at a google property) haha
    Jan 21 3
    • New
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      True. He is technically correct 😃
      Jan 21
    • eBay
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      Technically correct. The best kind of correct.
      Jan 21
    • Bloomberg / Eng
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      the only kind of correct*
      Jan 21
  • Uber uber19ipo
    thats his hustle; let him hustle. why’d you care?
    Jan 21 0
  • Google amzng123
    It's like stepping foot on the Harvard campus and claiming you went there. Technically, you did travel there so you did go there, but we all know the intention is to deceive.

    People say they worked at Google bc it means that they met a certain bar to get in and stay there. This person did not. You should call this person out on their deception.
    Jan 21 6
    • Amazon ChiknTikka
      Actually, we face this regularly with people who went to Harvard Extension School and claim to have a studied at or graduated from Harvard (technically true but it doesn't mean the same thing as a degree from Harvard College). Similarly, some people (Tyra Banks, ahem) do an exec ed program at HBS and misrepresent it as attending Harvard Business School (also technically true but not in a degree granting program with competitive admissions). I think it is OK to make a verbal statement with some lack of precision, but your LinkedIn page, resume, pitch deck, etc. needs to be honest and clear.
      Jan 21
    • Google / Eng hooli.xyz
      Never heard of Harvard Extension School so I looked it up. Here are my findings:
      1. The extension school is officially part of Harvard University (same as the other Harvard colleges).
      2. The courses are taught by the same faculty.
      3. The courses have the same content and rigor as on-campus courses.
      4. Students take some courses on-campus.
      5. Students attend the same graduation ceremony as on-campus students.
      6. The diploma says “Harvard University”.

      Please correct me if any of the above statements are not true.

      So assuming that they are all true, then I don’t see any problem with extension school students saying they graduated from Harvard.

      The only thing they need to be precise about is their actual degree, which should say “Master of Liberal Arts in Extension Studies”. Anything else and I agree that they are being dishonest.
      Jan 21
    • Amazon ChiknTikka
      2 is partially true but not always, 3 is definitely not true - the rigor of an AB in Computer Science is vastly higher than an AB in Extension Studies in Information Technology, for example. Nothing wrong with somebody informally saying they graduated from Harvard, as long as they report accurately on their resume and LinkedIn, which is not always the case. I have seen quite a few that do not.
      Jan 21
    • Google / Eng hooli.xyz
      #3: Of course AB in Computer Science courses are more rigorous. But we aren’t talking about CS courses offered by the extension school, or at least I don’t see any. The closest ones I see are under “Software Engineering” or IT. We can’t compare AB Computer Science with Extension Studies because those are two different things.

      So one can still say the courses are as rigorous as “Extension Studies” can be (whatever that is worth).

      #2: Can be easily fixed by students being more selective on which courses they take.

      I think it’s fine if their resume says:

      “Harvard University
      Master of Liberal Arts, Extension Studies (concentration: Software Engineering)”
      Jan 21
    • Google amzng123
      Agreed. Similarly, Google (contractor) should work for OP. Must clarify contractor status
      Jan 22
  • Bloomberg / Eng
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    Unless it directly affects you, let him be, life will bite him in the ass sooner or later, I’m more interested in why you’re “hanging out” with his gf?
    Jan 21 3
    • Anthem TC !
      Lol... This ^ requires more investigation and scrutiny than he saying “worked at google” 😆
      Jan 21
    • Indeed ackxhpaez
      I think it’s okay for goog_girl to hang out with someone’s girlfriend.
      Jan 21
    • Indeed ackxhpaez
      To be fair, i also assumed she’s straight. 🤷🏻‍♂️
      Jan 21
  • Microsoft wJgo77
    Who cares? Statement is correct.
    Jan 21 0
  • LinkedIn firedd
    What is the problem with this? He did work at google.
    Jan 21 0
  • Microsoft PMM’d
    1. He was indeed working at google. Just because he was employed through another entity, if he spent all of his time working on projects for google, I wouldn’t call him a liar.
    2. Like others say, unless this affects you directly I don’t think you should worry about it
    Jan 21 0
  • New 80T
    He did work at Google. He doesn't lie, what he says is factually correct.

    What is morally wrong - to say 8 instead of 6?
    Jan 21 0
  • Anthem TC !
    He said “worked at google”, did he say worked as a FTE @ google? It seems politically correct. I say this because, people don’t start conversations like I was a FT employee at XX company, people just assume being FT. May be I don’t see it as a big deal.
    Jan 21 0
  • Ness Technologies __|__
    You are a bithc
    Jan 21 2
    • Google / Eng whelmed
      Of course you feel that way; you work at Ness lmao
      Jan 21
    • Ness Technologies __|__
      What’s working with Ness has anything to do with how I feel ? OP became jealous of someone who is trying to start a business. So I called him bithc. i would call him that even if I am at FB
      Jan 21
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    I was a contract tactical medic on a high risk protection team for the Department of State Diplomatic Security Service in Iraq over a few years. I say I worked With the DOS DSS, not For.
    Jan 21 0
  • Amazon / Eng jHUS45
    Dude he is selling himself. All entrepreneurs do it, all it does is get people to listen. It doesn’t mean people buy his product. Truthfully people want to feel comforted with bullshit half truths as part of the sales process. Its like saying your a VP at a bank. It doesn’t close the deal. This is how the world works for entrepreneurs.
    Jan 21 0
  • Veritas / Strategy xWfa06
    What’s wrong with that?
    Jan 21 0
  • Reddit y34bas
    Yes it’s fine, stop being jealous.
    Jan 21 0
  • Amazon gnVV23
    Hopefully people will follow up and ask - what they did ... if what they did measures up to full time employee then does not really matter does it ? And if not, the listener would know person is bullshitting.

    It works out the right way in the end
    Jan 21 0
  • Facebook sch1sm
    He's just a bird puffing his feathers. We all need to do it these days. It's survival. It's fine.
    Jan 21 0
  • Amazon Justice!
    What’s his title as a contractor?
    Jan 21 0
  • New DvVM00
    someone my company interviewed said he worked at google. ref check said he was a contractor. do we reneg on the offer?
    Jan 21 3
    • Google / Eng
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      It depends, was he really good at interview? If just ok makes sense to reneg
      Jan 21
    • Bloomberg / Eng
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      Well a background check is exactly what that’s for
      Jan 21
    • Google / Eng hooli.xyz
      If the person mentions his contracting company and it says on the resume clearly that he worked at Google while under some contracting company, then it should be fine.

      I saw this with some of my former contractors I managed. Deliberately excluding contractor info to make their resume look more impressive is being dishonest. But if all the facts are there, then I don’t see any problems with it.
      Jan 21
  • Microsoft UMbR31
    Do you have contractors doing software engineering jobs?
    Jan 21 2
    • Microsoft PMM’d
      We have them too. Except in most cases they work on internal tools and not on the products we sell.
      Jan 21
    • Google / Eng
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      lena33more
      Same here, internal projects like bus app. Or some web thing to build something and used by internal people. Or test automation. The quality is really different. And contact companies hire almost everybody. However in some rare cases contactors can work on some piece of good product.
      Jan 21
  • Boutique Contractors generally make 2x what FTEs make. He should say, "Worked above Googlers for the past 8 years.". Been there, done that.
    Jan 22 0

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