Google Down-level Offer

Amazon / Eng YcUP73
Jul 12 34 Comments

Working at Amazon Toronto Office for about 5 years now. Been at L5 for almost two years. Delivered a variety of high impact projects, acting as practically as a senior engineer in my team.

Recently got through Google hiring committee, and my recruiter told me I was approved for L3 at Google (in Mountain View), which is equivalent to L4 at Amazon (new grad).

I've heard Google low-balls in terms of leveling (have seen it happen to a friend), but lumping me with a bunch of fresh grads seems like disrespect...

AMA and tell me what you think? What would you do in this situation?

TC 160-200k CAD

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TOP 34 Comments
  • Cisco not-stacy
    It’s all a matter of how much you are willing to sell your soul to sacrifice for this ‘prestige’ you think you’ll get at Google working with freshers(even though in 2019 this is no longer a tier 1 or even tier 2 company...)

    I know people with 7+ that went as L3 and 10+ as L4.. they were bottom performers here..
    Jul 12 9
    • Google MVou06
      Not sure whats wrong with android or play tbh (and coincidentally im in search)

      But either way once you're in google its not that hard to transfer between PAs (no interviews) so not sure why you want to make such distinction
      Jul 12
    • Booking.com / Eng vjsrybkifs
      How about Google Assistant teams?
      Jul 12
    • Amazon CsRr26
      If Google is tier 3, where does that leave Cisco lol
      Jul 12
    • Google ggtf45
      if Google is not tier1 or tier2, Cisco is probably Tier 100...
      Jul 12
    • Cisco not-stacy
      Lol they are different companies that do different things - for software specific yeah Cisco is no where near the top.. but for actual networking and collab and security, no one else is close.. I’m just saying that google has a lot of stuff that they do that are just scrapped because they are so bad..
      Jul 13
  • Google hsksns
    3 yoe in FANG also leveled at 3. Don't come. Go to FB
    Jul 12 8
    • Alibaba Group vXQh35
      +1 curious to know why
      Jul 13
    • Square XQuU34
      +1, curious as well
      Jul 13
    • SAP / Eng XPManager
      Thank good I took a Screenshot before he deleted it
      Jul 15
    • Amazon / Eng YcUP73
      OP
      Whats the reason?
      Aug 4
    • SAP / Eng XPManager
      Cost cutting
      Aug 4
  • Facebook / Eng mturtle
    Don't accept. Google had been doing this to lots of people. Literally everyday there is a post like this; I don't know why they do it. Go to one of many companies that will respect you.
    Jul 12 4
    • Thales xxXW73
      FB also will down level and promise quick promotion up
      Jul 12
    • Amazon / Eng bCxp50
      No; if anything, FB is relatively generous with leveling.
      Jul 13
    • Thales xxXW73
      Not true ; at least for my case as a data point YMMV
      Jul 13
    • Facebook / Eng mturtle
      What level did you get offered, and what is your background?
      Jul 13
  • Google MVou06
    Ouch
    Jul 12 0
  • Apple cjwikao@;
    Dont do it. Show some self respect ✊
    Jul 15 0
  • Google JNCE78
    Don't do it. If you can get a higher level at a different company, take that instead. Google underlevels people and there's no benefit to you, even if recruiter promises you you'll get promoted quickly.
    Jul 13 0
  • SAP / Eng XPManager
    Dont take it, I am l6 equivalent with 11yoe and they offered me l3 today. Google is a fucking joke company.
    Jul 15 2
    • Cisco not-stacy
      LOL that’s terrible.. they are hoping you are brainwashed to still join them but this isn’t 2015 anymore
      Jul 15
    • SAP / Eng XPManager
      Yes
      Jul 15
  • LG lzml
    What's the offer?
    Jul 12 2
    • Amazon / Eng YcUP73
      OP
      Havent done the team matching stage yet so no offer numbers to share
      Jul 12
    • LG lzml
      I hope they don't offer you L3 TC...
      Jul 12
  • Bloomberg m4k31tr41n
    The kiss of death. Fuck. Them. Save yourself years of resentment and don’t do it unless TC exceeds your current TC by 15% or more.
    Aug 4 0

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