Just got yes from hiring committee and currently in team matching stage. I’m 61 in MS and got L3 from google. I should get 4-5 strong hires as the interviews went very smoothly. I can deal with the down level, but recruiter says L3 base range should be around 110k. ????? Immediately lose interest to move on. Feel no respect at all.
What questions did they ask in onsite ? I mean concepts or topics.
leetcode medium, some async programming.
Thanks for sharing. Is it straight away from leetcode ? Or kind of similar to that difficulty level ?
61 maps to L3 is normal. In terms of base, how much you make now? If not too high, I believe there is room to negotiate and ask for match.
125k in ms. Even new grad base should be higher than 110k.
Tell recruiter you won’t accept lower base if you care it a lot. I think 125k is not hard to match if we really want you. On the other hand, 15k diff before tax makes little difference after tax, and, G’s refresh is far more better than MS if you consider TC. But you need to make your own decision how important that diff to you.
You’re 61 years old? How many years of relevant experience? Base will be 120k for Bay Area with 15% annual target bonus and maybe around 25k annual stock. Minimum. You can negotiate too
You need competing offers, they can go up to 140K for base
Serious Question - you need competing offer or you can just say I have competing offer?
You need, dont fuck around especially with google. They will ask you which company. And with how the recruiters are interconnected to each other, they can ask a friend to check you in the database. If you don’t show up.....
@OP, is it seti or swe? And is it Bay Area or Kirkland?
1.5 yoe with msft L61 sounds impressive, try to stay longer?
Basically you are SDE2 with 1.5 yoe. You managed to pull off 59 to 60 and 60 to 61 in 6 months each. This is very abnormal. You must be a rock star. With such a high growth, you shouldn't even think of moving because its a good future for you at MSFT which not even GOOG can promise of such high growth + MSFT has invested huge on you.
Thanks ! I joined as L60, and got promoted after 10 months. I’m lucky to be in a great team and have a great manager. I will wait for Google official number to consider how to move forward:)
Google L3 base can go up to ~$130k if needed but where they shine is equity. They can easily give you a total comp over $200k when you include bonus, equity and sign-on, which Microsoft would really struggle to compete with. However, as others have mentioned, promos at Google are super slow and are in the order of years (not months). I also have been getting lots of quick promos at Microsoft and have a Google offer right now (for L4), so I'm still trying to see how I can keep the same career velocity if I go there. For now I would say Microsoft is excellent for fast growth at your level, especially if you have a good team/manager which it sounds like you do.
Ask recruiter if you can try L4 with additional interviews
Yeah, I asked that but didn’t work. I have 1.5 yoe so that may be the reason. Anyway if the offer is going low like this, I don’t see any reason to accept. Actually i feel good about my current team in MS :)