Google L4 for Amazon sde2 with 7 yrs of experience

Amazon / Eng fun-time
Apr 10, 2018 15 Comments

Hi,

I am sde2 with Amazon with total experience of 7 years (2 yrs before Amazon).

I have received L4 offer from Google, which is equivalent to sde2 in Amazon.

Should I wait to get promoted to sde3 ( manager says 3-6 months, but I would consider 1 year to be safe) Or jump the ship now?

Promotions in Google are dicey, so unsure if it would be right move in long term. I want myself to be working with more responsibilities and at senior level in 2 years.

Is getting promoted in 2 years from L4 to L5 in Google reasonable for high T4 external hires?

I am TT in amazon.

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TOP 15 Comments
  • Oracle Imborat
    Are you getting a good bump on your salary? Then yes, because even if you've 8 years of experience, making to L5 at google is hard.
    Apr 10, 2018 5
    • Amazon / Eng fun-time
      OP
      Not much, about 10% compared to amazon total comp at current amzn stock price, which is likely to grow 30+% yoy.
      Apr 10, 2018
    • Oracle Imborat
      Then you know the answer. Do you think your manager would try to retain you if you consider to quit? It's worth trying to tell your manager that you've an offer from Google. May be he tries to match the comp but I wouldn't recommend this option because it could go either way.
      Apr 10, 2018
    • Oracle Imborat
      What's your TC?
      Apr 10, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng fun-time
      OP
      Its about 270k in Seattle, mostly due to stock growth
      Apr 10, 2018
    • Oracle Imborat
      Ah, I know why G is offering only 10% raise. G is offering around $300k, which more than median an L4 would get at G. May be try for L5 after 6 months to an year, it's hard but if you get it your comp would touch $400k TC(of course, team and interview performance matters)
      Apr 10, 2018
  • Amazon if(debug):
    10% bump is nothing after tax, don’t do it if all you care is money. Get those AMZN RSU $$
    Apr 10, 2018 0
  • Google / Eng
    drAI13

    Google Eng

    PRE
    Amazon
    drAI13more
    Jump. Jump as fast as you can away from Amazon. Amazon has great people but the culture destroys your soul.
    Apr 11, 2018 0
  • Google noonish
    It's hard to get an L5 external offer with less than 10 years experience. Even if you make L6 at Amazon in at year there's still a good chance you'll get another L4 offer at that time.

    As for comp, G doesn't take your initial grant into consideration when you get additional stock grants whereas Amazon recapitalizes all unvested gains.

    If money is your objective then you're mostly betting on how much AMZN will appreciate relative to GOOG.
    Apr 10, 2018 0
  • Amazon QTPie2
    Not worth moving now for 10% bump if you are less than a year from Sr. SDE. Promotion at G will take a lot more than a year in all likelihood.
    Apr 10, 2018 0
  • Microsoft wlb
    How confident are you that manager will honor his word to promote you in 3-6 months? The risk is that even if you get sde3 in amazon, that does not guarantee you E5 in google, but then you will get a much higher chance of getting E5. I would think that in general, it is easier to get to sde3 in amazon than to get to E5 in google.
    Apr 11, 2018 1
    • Oracle Imborat
      Definitely agree. Getting L5 is not easier for industry hires. However, I know several googlers promoted to L5 in around 4-5 years. They joined out of school.
      Apr 11, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng
    Muffin Bro

    Amazon Eng

    PRE
    NASA
    BIO
    Guess who is going to the international space station?
    Muffin Bromore
    Similar question and sorry to hijack.

    If I have like 15 years of experience and is currently already about L6 at Amazon, how likely will they offer me L4 at G?

    Assume I did ok in interview.
    Apr 11, 2018 1
    • Oracle Imborat
      If you just did OK then you'll get L4. If you did really well then it's definitely L5. You've 15 years of experience and it's unlikely they will downlevel you unless you bombed one round.
      Apr 11, 2018
  • Google bupkis2
    Getting promoted to t5 in 2 years is very doable. I did it but I had 17 years of experience when I joined and I made it a goal that I took very seriously. I.e. I attended the promo information sessions whenever I could etc.

    Of course promo is changing substantially at Google right now. I have no idea what it will look like in 2 years.

    Comp will grow way faster at Google sure to refreshes that attack on top of each other. I started with a30 percent raise but ended up at 2x in 3 years. Of course, I was coming from a place that paid substantially lower than Amazon
    Apr 11, 2018 0