Google L4 lowball or normal?

Microsoft P Zezima
May 16 40 Comments

Interviews went really well. Team sounds very exciting.

YoE: 2.5
Google Mountain View L4 offer:

Base: 153k
Bonus: 15% = 23k
Stocks: 210k (250k after negotiation)
Sign-on: 50k

TC (including sign-on / 4): 240k (250k after negotiation)

Have an Amazon Seattle offer with TC: 230k
(Don't really like the team)

Don't have any other competing offers.

Current Microsoft TC (L61, soon to be L62): 200k

Feels like the move to the bay area isn't worth it with that comp. Can I push the the recruiter to get it increased without any other leverage?

I'm wondering if I should just stay at Microsoft - I like the company, just need to change teams.

EDIT: Accepted Google at 250k. Base is pretty good and refreshers are independent of initial stock grant so doesn't matter over the long run. Tip for others: Get a lot of competing offers, can't be overstated.

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  • Facebook
    Instagrаm

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    Instagrаmmore
    Pretty solid for 2 yoe
    May 16 2
    • Facebook / Eng tinq
      What! This is blind. At least $500k for 24 months experience
      May 16
    • Facebook
      Instagrаm

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      Instagrаmmore
      May 16
  • Google BingaLing
    Lol. My cousins L3 offer was more.

    2 yoe. Sde2 at Amazon. 200k TC. No competing offers.
    250 TC at G.

    Are you sure it's L4? Those look like high L3 numbers.
    May 16 3
    • Microsoft P Zezima
      OP
      Yes, it's L4. It isn't an offer yet, just numbers recruiter told me.
      May 16
    • Facebook
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      Instagrаmmore
      Lol. My dick is longer than @BingaLing’s cousin by an inch. What a loser!
      May 16
    • New
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      martinrmore
      Wtf BingaLing why do you post such bs? Did you see the open project pay sheets? Most people have A WAY LOWER offer for L4 in MTV
      May 16
  • Microsoft / Eng Cardhu192
    Google gave 350k worth RSUs + 100k joining bonus + 165k base to my friend who had similar numbers from Facebook
    May 16 2
    • Facebook
      Instagrаm

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      Instagrаmmore
      What was your yoe?
      May 16
    • New
      martinr

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      martinrmore
      I think that kind of bs only runs cause people from Google don’t want to discuss salaries on Blind - they see the sheets and they know that the offer you just post is L5
      May 16
  • Google / Eng WrCP42
    Stocks could be higher. I know L3s with competing offers who were offered 275K stocks.
    May 16 2
    • New / Eng blindor
      Damn. How are the ranges so wide within each level? Whenever I feel good about my offer I see crazy numbers at and below my level
      May 16
    • Google / Eng WrCP42
      Yeah the band is crazy wide. And the HRs blatantly lie about everyone being offered similar equity. To be fair though, these people were from a pretty good grad school (Carnegie Mellon) and had strong competing offers. Best L3 offer *overall* I saw was 140K base, 60K sign on and 255K stocks. Highest L3 stock I know was 275K with 0 yoe, but a very strong competing AS offer from Amazon.
      May 16
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    martinr

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    martinrmore
    How did you get L4 with only 2 years? I know tons of people including me 4-5 yoe and still L3 offer. This month we get a new team member - the guy has awesome interview results and 3.5yoe at Microsoft and got L3
    May 16 1
    • Microsoft P Zezima
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      I've been fortunate enough to lead big projects in my current role. So recruiter was already targeting L4. I pushed for L5 and interviewed for L5 (fully expecting not to get it). I did well in interviews including system design, all interviewers recommended either L4/L5 so L4 was a lock.
      May 19
  • Amazon 2weeks
    How did you negotiate the extra 10? No competing offers?
    Jun 9 1
    • Microsoft P Zezima
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      No, just said that I felt the offer wasn't enough for the bay area move.
      Jun 9
  • Capital One zolk13
    2 yoe and 240k??
    What do you need to be sure?
    1 yoe and 600k?
    May 16 1
    • New / Eng blindor
      That’s exactly what I was thinking. Crazy. 7 yoe and my offer was only slightly higher. Looking at Blind is not healthy.
      May 16
  • New / Eng blindor
    That’s a really good offer for 2 yoe. SWE?
    May 16 4
    • Microsoft P Zezima
      OP
      Yes
      May 16
    • New / Eng blindor
      What product area?
      May 16
    • Microsoft P Zezima
      OP
      Assistant
      May 16
    • New / Eng blindor
      I’m joining Assistant as well. 8 yoe
      May 16
  • Salesforce curious01
    How did u get to lead projects with less than 2 yoe ?
    May 19 2
    • Microsoft P Zezima
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      A combination of luck and performance. Worked independently on small features in the first year. Joined as a second engineer on a big project, the lead engineer left the company halfway. I ended up taking it over. Did well there. That led to me leading another closely related big project (4 engineers). Did well there too. Now I'm in the planning phase of another big project, which will involve a couple of more engineers later.
      May 20
    • Amazon yacht 🛥
      Nice, you probably did more in 2 years than others in 5-6
      May 27
  • Amazon alajskshv
    For Google how many questions per interview? (2 or 1)
    And where they all LC hard?
    May 16 2
    • Microsoft P Zezima
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      All were LC medium. Maybe 1 LC hard. Some had 2 different questions, some had 1 question with follow up.
      May 16
    • Amazon alajskshv
      Thanks
      May 16
  • Microsoft Batman007
    Ask google if you can join Seattle team. I would join google Kirkland with this pay
    May 16 1
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      Instagrаmmore
      This
      May 16
  • Autodesk boba415
    Dude this offer is awesome for 2.5 yoe!
    May 16 0
  • Citrix Systems / Eng peda
    Stay ,
    May 16 0
  • Google topCon
    Tough call due to Bay area move. But L4 for 2 yoe is quite nice
    May 16 2
    • Microsoft P Zezima
      OP
      Yeah, I'm wondering if I should ask for a team in Seattle. Or maybe stay in the bay area for a couple of years, then consider moving back to Seattle.
      May 16
    • New pbYo77
      That's my plan too although I got hired as an L3
      May 16
  • Microsoft TonyStark♡
    Soon to be 62 at 2.5 yoe? You are kidding me
    May 16 1
    • Microsoft P Zezima
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      I joined in Nov 2016 at 59 - 60 in Sep 2017, 61 in Sep 2018, expecting 62 in Sep 2019
      May 16
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