Google L4 offer eval

Intel sdnftwbaby
Nov 14, 2018 39 Comments

L4 SW role in Google Cloud, PhD (from top tier West Coast school) + 1 yoe.

Recruiter is offering 150k base, 260k RSU / 4 years, 15% bonus. Recruiter says this is the highest they can go. Have one competing offer from Cisco, their offering TC around 200k. Current TC is 180k. Am I being lowballed? Have an interview with FB in 2 weeks but G recruiter says my team match needs a answer by Friday, or else theyll move to other candidates. Should I take the chance with FB or take this offer?

EDIT:

Offered 20k sign-on.

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TOP 39 Comments
  • Square / Eng SQ
    Man, every PhD candidate is so whiny. 1 yoe and wanting 240k+ TC
    Nov 14, 2018 1
    • Intel sdnftwbaby
      OP
      Lol I think everyone in the Bay area is whiny. I'm just trying to catch up financially to those with better foresight who started working after BS/MS.
      Nov 14, 2018
  • Samsung 5kt789
    Say yes, you can always change after getting FB offer.
    Nov 14, 2018 3
    • Reneging after signing is not considered good.
      Nov 14, 2018
    • Intel sdnftwbaby
      OP
      Dont want to be blacklisted by G.
      Nov 14, 2018
    • Qualcomm TC!
      Especially fromFNG
      Nov 14, 2018
  • Uber / Eng
    lezgo⛷

    Uber Eng

    PRE
    Google, Facebook
    lezgo⛷more
    seems low for top PhD and some experience

    you need better competing offers. also note Google HC pass is good for a year
    Nov 14, 2018 3
    • Intel sdnftwbaby
      OP
      So Google wont give me a good offer unless I have strong competing offers? The other offer I have is too low I guess.
      Nov 14, 2018
    • Amazon KwTk33
      HC pass means HC recommendation to hire?
      Nov 14, 2018
    • Google / Eng Xoogler11
      That’s true — I didn’t bother to get competing offers. Recruiter explicitly told me they could offer more to compete if I had an offer, but would not budge otherwise.
      Nov 14, 2018
  • Intel giw
    Base is good, negotiate for RSU to 300k and sigon to 50k
    Nov 14, 2018 6
    • But is it good for PhD?
      Nov 14, 2018
    • Intel sdnftwbaby
      OP
      Initial offer beat my Cisco offer by 5%. Had to push hard to get this offer. Recruiter told me she cant go higher. Should I still push for TC >240K? If I got higher than 240k is that reasonable?
      Nov 14, 2018
    • Google / Eng BSkU48
      I think you just need to get stronger competing offer.
      Nov 14, 2018
    • Intel sdnftwbaby
      OP
      What would be considered a good L4 comp?
      Nov 14, 2018
    • Amazon Wonxdj
      Did you have to share actual offer or just verbally confirmed?
      Nov 15, 2018
  • LinkedIn / Eng
    dashazhu

    LinkedIn Eng

    BIO
    Full time coder and part time gold dealer.
    dashazhumore
    Do you like this team more than potentially better comp? If you want to improve the offer you have to play hardball.

    Also is that an onsite FB interview? You probably don’t want to get G to wait too long. And for similar offers I would certainly pick G over FB.

    Just tell the recruiter that you would appreciate if the HM can wait for you. If not, you are happy to try other teams. And X/X/X are the numbers that you are willing to sign right now.
    Nov 14, 2018 2
    • Intel sdnftwbaby
      OP
      To be honest I'm fine with the comp in that it's far greater than what I make now and my competing offer. I just don't want to get lowballed, want a fair offer.
      Nov 14, 2018
    • LinkedIn / Eng
      dashazhu

      LinkedIn Eng

      BIO
      Full time coder and part time gold dealer.
      dashazhumore
      But if you don’t want to get lowballed you need to be ready to walk away from that offer.
      Nov 14, 2018
  • How much is the sign-on? This would have been a pretty great offer for someone with 1 YOE and masters. Not sure what weightage PhD will have.
    Nov 14, 2018 7
    • Intel sdnftwbaby
      OP
      I'll lose team match.
      Nov 14, 2018
    • Intel sdnftwbaby
      OP
      Unless this is a tactic by the recruiter to get me to sign (she has been super pushy and aggressive).
      Nov 14, 2018
    • Well there have been few cases on blind where people didn’t get match to any team but to me this looks like a tactic. But they won’t increase unless you have a high competing offer.
      Nov 14, 2018
    • Google AWASU7
      Cloud has lots of open swe positions. I wouldn't worry about losing team match. Recruiter is just trying to close.

      Now given your background there might be a team that better fits your skills that might not have a role open in 1-2 weeks
      Nov 14, 2018
    • Intel sdnftwbaby
      OP
      Thanks for the heads-up.
      Nov 14, 2018
  • Adobe yShja2
    How well did you do on your coding/interview?
    Nov 14, 2018 5
    • Intel sdnftwbaby
      OP
      Not sure. Passed HC this week, so good enough. Thought they went well, recruiter dint share feedback.
      Nov 14, 2018
    • Comcast sKML28
      This is ~~238K TC just one year after making 30k stipend in grad school. You are not being lowballed.
      Nov 14, 2018
    • Intel sdnftwbaby
      OP
      Totally appreciate that, but I know people with similar background and experience making well over $300k at FAANG companies. Dont want to be undervalued.
      Nov 14, 2018
    • Google / Eng Xoogler11
      I started around that TC at Google just out of my PhD and quickly moved up to around $300k. Now at $380, 6 years in.
      Nov 14, 2018
    • Intel sdnftwbaby
      OP
      Thanks for sharing. Wouldn't that have been a super high TC 6 years ago?
      Nov 14, 2018
  • Shutterstock kudabobb
    Your offer is good for a year isn't it? See what FB offers first
    Nov 14, 2018 0
  • Snapchat / Eng yRRz16
    shoot for 275k from fb with 100+160+300
    Nov 19, 2018 0
  • Intel mrfaang
    OP: if it helps, your offer is roughly equivalent to a $250k TC offer from late August (i.e. adjusting GSU grant based on 20% reduction in GOOG stock price from August until now).
    Nov 19, 2018 0
  • New / Eng 1723439
    Lowball offer bc of RSU and G recruiter is unnecessarily pushing you. Don't let them do that.

    Do FB interview, push them with G offer and get the offer ASAP, strongly state you need 260K+ TC (never tell G numbers) to prevent lowballing, and FB will give you 240~250K offer.

    Now up to your skills to negotiate with G. If you give the numbers right away they will probably give you FB +5~10K. Tell them FB numbers are much higher, and you might be able to pull 20K+.

    Got 250K+ TC with this when joining FAANG as fresh PhD SWE.
    Nov 17, 2018 0
  • The New York Times moony
    This is a pretty standard offer. Especially given your low yoe.
    Nov 14, 2018 0