Google L5 or Facebook E5 or Amazon L6 offer

Microsoft GScJ67
Jul 6 36 Comments

Have offers from all three for Android sde. Amazon will get back on feedback, likely positive. Location Seattle for all three.

Google - 180/600/some bonus
Facebook - 190/500/50k

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I want to join fb and I have asked for 200/600/100k based on Google offer. Recruiter is asking to show Google offer, while Google offer is verbal (recruiter gave me approx numbers over call) and joining bonus is not revealed to me. Google recruiter is saying that they will share written offer only when I am willing to accept. How can I convince fb recruiter? Are they even supposed to ask for written proof of competing offer, specially when I don't have written proof?

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TOP 36 Comments
  • Microsoft MsftSux
    Wait for Amazon. They always fire written offers first
    Jul 6 0
  • Facebook lnstagram
    200 base at E5 sounds like too high
    Jul 6 17
    • Google GChB45
      are you E5 too?
      Jul 9
    • Facebook 0verpaid
      E6
      Jul 9
    • Robinhood paper$$$$
      Wow 205 is high for a new hire with 4 YOE...

      @0verpaid how does the typical breakdown look like for an E6?
      Jul 9
    • Google GChB45
      @Overpaid do you want to leave because of comp only?
      Jul 9
    • Facebook 0verpaid
      Getting bored. I got super lucky with the growth at FB and feel like I need a change. My only exp is at FB (8 YOE)
      Jul 10
  • Facebook / Eng MySpace
    Congrats! Tell FB recruiter that G gave you a verbal offer and they wont give you written unless you’re going to accept. My FB recruiter never asked me for any written competing offers and trusted what i said they were.
    Jul 6 4
    • Microsoft GScJ67
      OP
      Thanks
      Jul 6
    • Facebook / Eng MySpace
      For reference, my offer from last july was 185/500/100. Didn’t have a competing offer from G, which I’ve heard can get you upto 600k rsu with fb
      Jul 6
    • Microsoft GScJ67
      OP
      Which competing offer did you have if not Google? And what were the numbers of the competing offer?
      Jul 6
    • Facebook / Eng MySpace
      Can’t give away the competing offer without losing anonymity. The competing offer was at ~360k, and the initial fb e5 offer was at ~310k (400k rsu).
      Jul 6
  • Amazon / Eng bCxp50
    I wouldn't go anywhere near Amazon for mobile/IoT/devices/Android or anything in that domain. The internal tooling is horrible for it, and odds are you're either going to be in Lab126 (which seems to have a TPM:SDE ratio of 2:1) or are going to be surrounded by mediocre SDEs who self-identify with the term "Java developer" and don't understand or appreciate the complexity of your work...good luck getting TT ratings (PE promo isn't going to be on the table anytime soon, so I wouldn't worry about that), which means your TC is going to be shit after a couple years.

    FB is making a huge push into that space so they're the most likely to actually value you. Google can go either way; depends on team match (hopefully you're being offered a generalist role and NOT "mobile SWE Android" or whatever they call it).

    Note: I'm no longer at Amazon.
    Jul 6 2
    • Microsoft GScJ67
      OP
      Thanks for the insights.
      Jul 7
    • Amazon sAFI32
      I second this. While the Android community at Amazon is decent, one would be wasting time fighting with tooling.

      Non mobile engineers don't understand mobile and don't value your work. Even the PE in my org seemed to think mobile development is 'easy' until recently.

      Stay away!

      P.S: Leaving Amazon soon
      Jul 7
  • Amazon DHJH32
    What is the vesting schedule for the RSU's at Google and Facebook?

    Amazon is 5% yr 1, 15% yr 2, 20% every 6 months thereafter.
    Jul 6 5
    • Facebook lnstagram
      G - 25th of each month, 1/48th of initial grant
      FB - 15th of Feb, May, Aug, Nov - 1/16th
      Starts vesting immediately the following date.
      Jul 6
    • Amazon DHJH32
      Over how many years?
      Jul 6
    • Facebook lnstagram
      Seriously?..
      1/48th of the grant every month.
      Or 1/16th every quarter.
      Hint: divide denominator by 12 or 4 respectively to get the number of years.
      Jul 6
    • Amazon DHJH32
      Thanks for editing.
      Jul 6
    • Twitch whathappen
      He’s not a numbers type of guy
      Jul 6
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    • Equifax
      aka FB

      Equifax

      PRE
      Chase Paymentech
      aka FBmore
      What do you mean? L6 at Amazon = L5 at G
      Jul 6
    • Amazon / Eng bCxp50
      Median YoE for Amazon L6 is around 9-10. Possible the team or org you were interviewing with didn't have the reqs or budget.

      It's even more likely that they downleveled you, since L6 is badly overscoped in many orgs (they'll expect a junior PE for 300k/year or less).
      Jul 6
  • Facebook realzuck
    Fb didn’t ask to see my other offers. Probably cuz my tc is under 300k
    Jul 6 0